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target1360
#1 Posted : Sunday, June 01, 2014 8:53:40 AM
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After reading many books on investments,especially on munger and my own experience i now dont see the need for selling stocks of a business that has a relatively high ROE and expected continous high growth in EPS.
1. i bought centum at 13 then sold ar 20.bought at 24 sold at 35.then the other day i bought at 37.realy whats the point if paying all the transaction costs?
2.i have traded other stocks and paid unnecessary expenses not to mention market timing challenges.

bottom line is if you are able to identify a stock that compounds at a constitently high roe eg equity,centum,britam then theres no point in trading/watching the nse
I find satisfaction in owning great business,not trading them
sparkly
#2 Posted : Sunday, June 01, 2014 1:49:45 PM
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target1360 wrote:
After reading many books on investments,especially on munger and my own experience i now dont see the need for selling stocks of a business that has a relatively high ROE and expected continous high growth in EPS.
1. i bought centum at 13 then sold ar 20.bought at 24 sold at 35.then the other day i bought at 37.realy whats the point if paying all the transaction costs?
2.i have traded other stocks and paid unnecessary expenses not to mention market timing challenges.

bottom line is if you are able to identify a stock that compounds at a constitently high roe eg equity,centum,britam then theres no point in trading/watching the nse


Change that to "buy undervalued stocks and sell overvalued stocks". Centum's NAV is around 26. It makee sense to buy at 13 and at 24 but buying at 37 exposes you to a loss in real terms.
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tinker
#3 Posted : Sunday, June 01, 2014 9:52:57 PM
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sparkly wrote:
target1360 wrote:
After reading many books on investments,especially on munger and my own experience i now dont see the need for selling stocks of a business that has a relatively high ROE and expected continous high growth in EPS.
1. i bought centum at 13 then sold ar 20.bought at 24 sold at 35.then the other day i bought at 37.realy whats the point if paying all the transaction costs?
2.i have traded other stocks and paid unnecessary expenses not to mention market timing challenges.

bottom line is if you are able to identify a stock that compounds at a constitently high roe eg equity,centum,britam then theres no point in trading/watching the nse


Change that to "buy undervalued stocks and sell overvalued stocks". Centum's NAV is around 26. It makee sense to buy at 13 and at 24 but buying at 37 exposes you to a loss in real terms.


@Sparkly, Thanks for your insight about NAV, if you can advise any resource where we can easily access stocks NAV.
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sparkly
#4 Posted : Monday, June 02, 2014 6:00:02 AM
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tinker wrote:
sparkly wrote:
target1360 wrote:
After reading many books on investments,especially on munger and my own experience i now dont see the need for selling stocks of a business that has a relatively high ROE and expected continous high growth in EPS.
1. i bought centum at 13 then sold ar 20.bought at 24 sold at 35.then the other day i bought at 37.realy whats the point if paying all the transaction costs?
2.i have traded other stocks and paid unnecessary expenses not to mention market timing challenges.

bottom line is if you are able to identify a stock that compounds at a constitently high roe eg equity,centum,britam then theres no point in trading/watching the nse


Change that to "buy undervalued stocks and sell overvalued stocks". Centum's NAV is around 26. It makee sense to buy at 13 and at 24 but buying at 37 exposes you to a loss in real terms.


@Sparkly, Thanks for your insight about NAV, if you can advise any resource where we can easily access stocks NAV.

@Tinker NAV can be computed from the balance sheet. Assets (minus) liabilities (devide by) number of shares. Requires some basic knowledge of accounts.
Life is short. Live passionately.
stock.enigma
#5 Posted : Monday, June 02, 2014 4:40:01 PM
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sparkly wrote:
tinker wrote:
sparkly wrote:
target1360 wrote:
After reading many books on investments,especially on munger and my own experience i now dont see the need for selling stocks of a business that has a relatively high ROE and expected continous high growth in EPS.
1. i bought centum at 13 then sold ar 20.bought at 24 sold at 35.then the other day i bought at 37.realy whats the point if paying all the transaction costs?
2.i have traded other stocks and paid unnecessary expenses not to mention market timing challenges.

bottom line is if you are able to identify a stock that compounds at a constitently high roe eg equity,centum,britam then theres no point in trading/watching the nse


Change that to "buy undervalued stocks and sell overvalued stocks". Centum's NAV is around 26. It makee sense to buy at 13 and at 24 but buying at 37 exposes you to a loss in real terms.


@Sparkly, Thanks for your insight about NAV, if you can advise any resource where we can easily access stocks NAV.

@Tinker NAV can be computed from the balance sheet. Assets (minus) liabilities (devide by) number of shares. Requires some basic knowledge of accounts.

stock.enigma
#6 Posted : Monday, June 02, 2014 4:44:43 PM
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In the balance sheet, assets=liabilities. Subtracting assets from liabilities gives you zero.
target1360
#7 Posted : Monday, June 02, 2014 5:41:15 PM
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sparkly wrote:
target1360 wrote:
After reading many books on investments,especially on munger and my own experience i now dont see the need for selling stocks of a business that has a relatively high ROE and expected continous high growth in EPS.
1. i bought centum at 13 then sold ar 20.bought at 24 sold at 35.then the other day i bought at 37.realy whats the point if paying all the transaction costs?
2.i have traded other stocks and paid unnecessary expenses not to mention market timing challenges.

bottom line is if you are able to identify a stock that compounds at a constitently high roe eg equity,centum,britam then theres no point in trading/watching the nse


Change that to "buy undervalued stocks and sell overvalued stocks". Centum's NAV is around 26. It makee sense to buy at 13 and at 24 but buying at 37 exposes you to a loss in real terms.

@sparkly thank you for the insight which i nappreciate but i have learnt to assign very little weight to NAV.For instance olympia has a NAV of over 20 but am sure you wouldnt recomend it. Also consinder an instance where at a given time two companies hav an equal NAV but one grows its earnings/NAV at 35% while the other grows at say 5%
one might buy an investment company at a premium to the NAV where one has certainty that he wil very soon compensated for the premium by the fast growth of the business.
price is what you pay and value is what you get.
I find satisfaction in owning great business,not trading them
target1360
#8 Posted : Monday, June 02, 2014 5:50:59 PM
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stock.enigma wrote:
In the balance sheet, assets=liabilities. Subtracting assets from liabilities gives you zero.

Shame on you
Assets=capital+liabilities
NAV =assets-liabilities=~capital
NAV is simply what a business owner would be left with after liquadating his business and paying off all debts.
I find satisfaction in owning great business,not trading them
Mukiri
#9 Posted : Monday, June 02, 2014 8:52:41 PM
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target1360 wrote:
After reading many books on investments,especially on munger and my own experience i now dont see the need for selling stocks of a business that has a relatively high ROE and expected continous high growth in EPS.
1. i bought centum at 13 then sold ar 20.bought at 24 sold at 35.then the other day i bought at 37.realy whats the point if paying all the transaction costs?
2.i have traded other stocks and paid unnecessary expenses not to mention market timing challenges.

bottom line is if you are able to identify a stock that compounds at a constitently high roe eg equity,centum,britam then theres no point in trading/watching the nse

And whathappens if the market crashes? Or there is an expected correction, where the price is bound to go below your purchase price?

Proverbs 19:21
sparkly
#10 Posted : Monday, June 02, 2014 11:01:36 PM
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target1360 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
target1360 wrote:
After reading many books on investments,especially on munger and my own experience i now dont see the need for selling stocks of a business that has a relatively high ROE and expected continous high growth in EPS.
1. i bought centum at 13 then sold ar 20.bought at 24 sold at 35.then the other day i bought at 37.realy whats the point if paying all the transaction costs?
2.i have traded other stocks and paid unnecessary expenses not to mention market timing challenges.

bottom line is if you are able to identify a stock that compounds at a constitently high roe eg equity,centum,britam then theres no point in trading/watching the nse


Change that to "buy undervalued stocks and sell overvalued stocks". Centum's NAV is around 26. It makee sense to buy at 13 and at 24 but buying at 37 exposes you to a loss in real terms.

@sparkly thank you for the insight which i nappreciate but i have learnt to assign very little weight to NAV.For instance olympia has a NAV of over 20 but am sure you wouldnt recomend it. Also consinder an instance where at a given time two companies hav an equal NAV but one grows its earnings/NAV at 35% while the other grows at say 5%
one might buy an investment company at a premium to the NAV where one has certainty that he wil very soon compensated for the premium by the fast growth of the business.
price is what you pay and value is what you get.


@target1360 growth is simply a promise. It may happen or not happen, but of course the key world is value. If a fast growth company is selling at less than its intrinsic value then buy.
Life is short. Live passionately.
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