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DIAMOND Park and Winners Chapel Demolition??!!
muganda
#151 Posted : Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:46:47 PM
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Ahh @a4architect, yours in now a pursuit for justice.

The native owner would need to claim his right to be compensated. The first step to restitution was to recognize their inalienable right to land which was earned after independence. As a second step, Kenyatta government did try to grant land to the masses; as a third step support concessionary repurchases.

An argument can ensue as to what is 'adequate' compensation (as Maasai often bring up). But Justice is by nature a pursuit and never a 'fait accompli'.

a4architect.com wrote:
@muganda, the native owner was either the maasai or kamba who were evicted to pave way for british colonial settlers. They didnt partake in forcefull request for their land. Were the natives compensated adequately if at all? Who then, is the original owner between the natives, colonial govt and kevevapi?

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#152 Posted : Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:49:03 PM
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an amicable agreement to buy back the land from kevevapi is a win win for everyone. the buyers will keep their houses and the kevevapi will get their worth of the land. Am sure this time round the house owners will come with their wallets wide open after the recent happenings. All CS lands will need to to is to say his price per acre and am sure no one would object.

Maybe this time round with the land commission intact, the transaction will be completely fool proof sealed to avoid subsequent govts reopening the issue again in future.
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alma
#153 Posted : Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:53:01 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
an amicable agreement to buy back the land from kevevapi is a win win for everyone. the buyers will keep their houses and the kevevapi will get their worth of the land. Am sure this time round the house owners will come with their wallets wide open after the recent happenings. All CS lands will need to to is to say his price per acre and am sure no one would object.

Maybe this time round with the land commission intact, the transaction will be completely fool proof sealed to avoid subsequent govts reopening the issue again in future.


I'm happy to see that you have agreed with the gov't, ndungu report and alma. They would not be paying if it wasn't illegal.

So since that part is done, what say you about suing the developers and the land sellers who sold the land illegally in the first place?

Should they be in jail or should we forget about them.
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#154 Posted : Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:56:58 PM
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@muganda, good arguments on the land rights there above.In your argument, its assumed that the colonial govt pushed all responsibility as to govt to the kenyatta govt, which is similar to how british recently argued in the mau mau case but lost.

The natives would then argue that its the colonial govt, not the kenyatta govt than needs to compensate them for alienating their land, like the mau mau recently argued.

Lets just say this opens a pandora's box that no one is ready to deal with. The easiest way is to cut the line of legal ownership at kevevapi and accept to move on.
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alma
#155 Posted : Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:59:10 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@muganda, good arguments on the land rights there above.In your argument, its assumed that the colonial govt pushed all responsibility as to govt to the kenyatta govt, which is similar to how british recently argued in the mau mau case but lost.

The natives would then argue that its the colonial govt, not the kenyatta govt than needs to compensate them for alienating their land, like the mau mau recently argued.

Lets just say this opens a pandora's box that no one is ready to deal with. The easiest way is to cut the line of legal ownership at kevevapi and accept to move on.


So are you saying we leave the thieves who stole the land in the first place accept and move on.

Then let mama onyango pay for land she had otherwise bought from the thief? I don't understand.
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#156 Posted : Thursday, May 22, 2014 5:01:03 PM
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@alma, of course the situation will need to be pushed to its logical conclusion. From this article, it looks like some tidy amount of money has previously exchanged hands. This can be traced back to offset the compensation.

http://www.businessdaily.../0/-/kwj2ex/-/index.html
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alma
#157 Posted : Thursday, May 22, 2014 5:04:18 PM
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[quote=a4architect.com]@alma, of course the situation will need to be pushed to its logical conclusion. From this article, it looks like some tidy amount of money has previously exchanged hands. This can be traced back to offset the compensation.

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/kwj2ex/-/index.html[/quote]

Great to see we are in agreement at last. The power of Wazua. I'm happy to see that even after being discontinued from ADD I still left it with logical thinkers.
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#158 Posted : Thursday, May 22, 2014 5:06:29 PM
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alma wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
@muganda, good arguments on the land rights there above.In your argument, its assumed that the colonial govt pushed all responsibility as to govt to the kenyatta govt, which is similar to how british recently argued in the mau mau case but lost.

The natives would then argue that its the colonial govt, not the kenyatta govt than needs to compensate them for alienating their land, like the mau mau recently argued.

Lets just say this opens a pandora's box that no one is ready to deal with. The easiest way is to cut the line of legal ownership at kevevapi and accept to move on.


So are you saying we leave the thieves who stole the land in the first place accept and move on.

Then let mama onyango pay for land she had otherwise bought from the thief? I don't understand.


@alma, the argument above is on a completely different subject, not your thieves pet topic. Looks like given a chance, you would volunteer to suicide bomb these so called thieves..hehe
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alma
#159 Posted : Thursday, May 22, 2014 5:11:52 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
alma wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
@muganda, good arguments on the land rights there above.In your argument, its assumed that the colonial govt pushed all responsibility as to govt to the kenyatta govt, which is similar to how british recently argued in the mau mau case but lost.

The natives would then argue that its the colonial govt, not the kenyatta govt than needs to compensate them for alienating their land, like the mau mau recently argued.

Lets just say this opens a pandora's box that no one is ready to deal with. The easiest way is to cut the line of legal ownership at kevevapi and accept to move on.


So are you saying we leave the thieves who stole the land in the first place accept and move on.

Then let mama onyango pay for land she had otherwise bought from the thief? I don't understand.


@alma, the argument above is on a completely different subject, not your thieves pet topic. Looks like given a chance, you would volunteer to suicide bomb these so called thieves..hehe


No I wouldn't suicide a cockroach.

But those thieves could steal the shoes from their mother when she's in her casket
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
muganda
#160 Posted : Thursday, May 22, 2014 5:14:08 PM
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All land in Kenya is under the jurisdiction of GOK, and with it the duty of equity. The 2008 MauMau court case could not revisit the issue of land but of torture.

a4architect.com wrote:
@muganda, good arguments on the land rights there above.In your argument, its assumed that the colonial govt pushed all responsibility as to govt to the kenyatta govt, which is similar to how british recently argued in the mau mau case but lost.

The natives would then argue that its the colonial govt, not the kenyatta govt than needs to compensate them for alienating their land, like the mau mau recently argued.

Lets just say this opens a pandora's box that no one is ready to deal with. The easiest way is to cut the line of legal ownership at kevevapi and accept to move on.

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