I see your point as I run of them. I shouldn't have let you take the lead. lol.

I will end thus if it is not ok to demolish on places where people have legally built on idle unutilised govt land then I and others like myself have precedence to settle on some idle unutilised govt land and resist eviction. If I will be evicted by the new authorities, yet others who did the same with the old authorities are not, I will feel very bad about it and that is not conducive for the fabric of the nation.

That is why I was saying demolition does not have to hurt anyone. The 'demolishees' can imagine they are making a sacrifice in building the nation, few of the numbers to ever genuinely do so.

@muriel, you need to understand that @muriel or @jusblazing or @a4architect have no power to settle on any unutilised idle govt land. This power to allocate govt land is only with national land commision or in previous govt, lands commisioner.

If @a4architect, @jusblazing or @muriel decides to give themselves this power, then demolition of their structures is ok. This is the situation as to how slums come about which is not ok.

But if national lands commision allocates idle unutilised public land to @muriel, then other kenyans eg @jusblazin are not in order to call for and support @muriel's demolition since the national lands commision/commisioner of lands has been appointed to do his rightful job which included allocation of idle unutilised govt land to kenyans.

Are we together now?

Almost but point moja imetokelezea,

The difference between the demolishees and the slum guys is that the demolishees were clever enough to get the lands commissioner to irregularly 'give' them the land. Obviously a lot of money changed hands for this to happen. Then they built. The slum guys just went and built. Both have done illegal settling and building. Are they not for all intents and purposes law breakers and should be evicted equally?

@muriel, good point. With your argument, we are now moving into the real of philosophy, which is good. Both slum guys and the kevevapi buyers can be argued within capitalism and how capitalism works.
We can move the kevevapi ownership backwards abit to see how easily this moves into deep philosophy.
1.current users are the house buyers.
2.before the above was kevevapi
3.befroe kevevapi was kenyata govt.
4.before kenyatta govt was colonia govt
5.before colonial govt was native kamba/maasai
6.before native kamba/maaasai was the ndorobo
7. etc etc till the beginning of mankind.

With the above list, who then is the actual owner of the kevevapi land and who is the law breaker?

i think the law is crafted such that to maintain sanity in capitalism, a line is drawn somewhere, in this case at the colonial govt as rightful owners. The colonial govt didnt pay for the land fro the natives.

@alma,i have nothing to do with kevevapi housing. All my projects, current anf former, are publicly available at my website .

I like engaging in debates which will eventually benefit all kenyans.In the konza city debate, i was the only lone ranger against the project and in the end i was vindicated. Same will be the case here. There is no point of me having all this knowledge and then keeping quiet as kenyans run confused in matters real estate.

@alma, your understanding of land laws is so basic/rudimentary for someone who claims to have gone through university to study land economics.
FYI i dont sell property, neither am i here to impress anyone for whatever reason.
You are in the US, probably washing dishes, because with your level of understanding of land laws, you could not hack it practicing valuation in Kenya. I doubt if you actually graduated from your land valuation class.

McReggae,

The fellow has been on this forum lying his ass off.

Just look at his points above

1.current users are the house buyers.
2.before the above was kevevapi

He's always always skipping the fellows who stole the land from Kevavapi and sold to the current owners. Why?

He doesn't sell property, but a whole thread is dedicated on this forum on property he's selling.

Sure I wash dishes and very proud of it. Been doing so since I was discontinued from college. I was a dunder in college that's why I never graduated.

But heck, I won't be lying about Kevevapi to consumers who are being conned left and right centre by architects who have the audacity to say in public that they don't know how to conduct a land search.

I will stick to my opinions. I may have been a dander in school, but can sure smell a rotten apple miles away.