@angelica ann, my system is already in place since we now have a lands commision with Swazuri to make thedecision on public lands as compared to when only the lands commsiioner could kake such decision alone with the president.

The lands commissionor parlament can then move further and craft laws that enable the below
1. determination of idel unused govt land for alienation
2. methods of fair alienation of such lands to thepublic.

if the2 above are executed within good legal frameowrk, then there will be no grabbing. Currently, since the 2 above have no clear legal frameowrk, we are bound to hear more cases whereby such alienations will be done.

check below for how NLC is dealing with the same monster.

From the below, we can still see that the same monster will rear its head again if kenyans, including you, do not push for further regulations on how to deal with idle public land alienation.

http://www.standardmedia...al-land-deals-in-kilifi

@mcreggae, whats strange about it? i have debated the same in kenyanlist and nipate and its only in wazua which is surprisingly supposed to have more informed debates, that am seeing people supporting such barbaric lynch mob mentality.

As usual, i could be wrong and if strong points towards demolition of the houses are put forward, i will be the 1st one to support .

@muriel,..hehe...sure..debates are enjoyable.

i propose that
1. since the commissioner of lands had powers to transfer lands to the public, the current owners are therefore to be absolved.

2. if the CS agric realy needs the lands so close to cbd for agric purposes, he can use the vetlab lands at kangemi for the same or move his functions to konza.

3. if the current owners are to blame somehow, then an arbitration deal whereby they are compeled to compensate ministry of agric with same acrege of land elsewhere eg konza at market rates.

4. if all the above solutions cant work, then the current owners vacate and ministry of agric then uses the buildings to house themselves.

5. demolition of buildings does not gain anyone.A more win win solution needs to be sought.

This issue has now made me see Sonko in a very different light. If all the suits n ties degree holding people could not see this absurdity,including @alma who is a valuer, this means the current system of education needs to be completely revamped.

luckily the thread held on. Or am I aiding and abetting the detailing by posting this now?

But why again did these guys take so long before suing? With Syokimau being a good example, they should have sued the very moment they heard that the govt is contemplating to demolish, the very day they were given notice. Why wait till demolition is ongoing?

@muriel, with the previous land laws where the commsioner of lands was the say it all, if he identified the land for alienation, the law was such that he had the powers to allocate it to individuals. Currently, the national land commission has the same powers over public land. Soon, the NLC will also begin doing this unless the laws are refined further on how ministry of lands should engage with the ministry owning the land.

In the case of kevevapi, in the 90s, the comissioner of lands had all the powers to alienate govt lands arbitrarily as he did. Thats why the current lands commission removes such powers and distributes them to several individuals.

Demolition obviously hurts whoever has used their capital to construct.
Demolition in places where people have built on public utility land is ok since freeing such lands enables its use. Demolition on places where people have legaly built on idle unutilised govt land is not ok.

Note the difference between PUBLIC UTILITY land eg land set aside for school, hospital, playground, road reserve etc and PUBLIC LAND eg upperhill railway land, kevevapi land, agric land at vet lab, mungiki land at eap cement athi river etc.


Public utility land is usually a derivative of private land which is a derivative of govt land.