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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Jus Blazin wrote:I'll repeat, the Abrahamic religions come from the same root. The greatest prophets are found in the same books. They all believe in the same God. There are very many striking similarities in these religions.
The Tanakh (Judaism) was written in Hebrew, the Christian bible contains the books in the Tanakh and the New Testament (the latter written in Greek) while the Quran is written in Arabic. God is Yahweh in Hebrew and Allah in Arabic. Jews and Arabs are Semitic, descends of Shem, with the three holy books being of the same theological and Semitic roots. Angels Gabriel, Michael, etc are mentioned in these books.
These religions acknowledge Jesus existed, but differ on his personality. Judaism claim he was a false prophet, Christians proclaim him as the son of God while Islam states he was the greatest prophet among the many that came. And that is the major difference between these religions.
Muslims believe the Quran served to correct errors found in the Hebrew and Christian bibles. Not that it negated these scriptures, but simply found them distorted over the years.
We could continue playing ping-pong with verses here... @AlphDoti, you may see this as a simplified view, but it's the truth, no? Makes this whole debate of us against them even more weird. STOP!! We don't worship the same God as these fellows They are not misunderstandings, they are fundamental differences!! We can't even agree on how heaven will be like. One will be full of landings na ingine worship. One expressly states we will be like angels, ya hawa majamaa states you make it huko after Muhammad prays for you and you get lots of beauties who will be perpetual virgins(..no wonder people are converting!)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,908
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Aaah Treason, finally we can begin to reason - religous arguments could not hold water, just opium for the masses, to advance Omar al-Bashir domination of simple minded folk.
She joins an illustrious list Accused of Treason: Jesus , Simon Peter, St Paul, Thomas Moore, William Wallace, Alfred Dreyfus, Nelson Mandela, Bradly Manning, Edward Snowden etc.
“It is treason, to imagine, compass and even contemplate the death of a President” Charles Njonjo.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:FOR YOU ALL
1. Just because somebody accusing somebody of fornication or spreading corruption does not mean automatic application of the law. No, not like that.
2. Islamic law requires that there be four witnesses for the application of this law.
3. The witnesses must be reliable witnesses, not just anybody.
Just and righteous people. And without reliable four witnesses, the law cannot be applied.
4. That's why the number of cases of people executed, in the last 1400 years to today, they are very, very few. They can be counted.
5. The evidence can be: confession, or recordings, or video evidence, or a woman gets pregant and gives birth to a baby, she becomes pregnant while her husband is away or not married etc.
6. Where there is clear evidence, the law will apply.
#BringTheRuling This is a process and ritual, but it's not necessarily foolproof, especially when the idea that supports it is questionable. For example, take wazua's quote of the day, "How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg "- Abraham Lincoln @tycho what is questionable? Islamic law is Law of God. Only God knows what is right and beneficial for His creation, and alternatively what is wrong and harmful. The Quran clearly states the lawful and unlawful actions. All Humans must follow this Law of God which is known as the 'Shariah' or Islamic Law. Your problem is not the law, your problem is, you don't believe it is from God. So right there is the problem. Even if it were not about this woman, it would have been something else.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:There was this British teacher in Sudan who was jailed for naming a doll Mohammed. The name was suggested by her young pupils. The way these guys venerate the dead prophet makes me conclude he's a god to them just like Allah No, he's not God. We just don't allow him being mocked. Simple. Muslims never start thread mocking Christians. (wacha uwongo!)Muslims never mock Jesus (pbuh). Muslims never have a doll called Jesus. And you come cheating us ati young pupils suggested!
#YouStopWeStop Ok, let's see who's lying!! Quote: Ms Gibbons, who joined the school in August, asked a seven-year-old girl to bring in her teddy bear and asked the class to pick names for it, he said.
"They came up with eight names including Abdullah, Hassan and Muhammad," Mr Boulos said, adding that she then had the children vote on a name.
Twenty out of the 23 children chose Muhammad as their favourite name.
Mr Boulos said each child was then allowed to take the bear home at weekends and told to write a diary about what they did with it.
He said the children's entries were collected in a book with a picture of the bear on the cover and a message which read, "My name is Muhammad." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7112929.stm
The kids simply went for the name they liked most! And where are the kids from? And the kids don't like Jesus (pbuh)? You mean the kids like the name Muhammed more than the name Jesus? I'm sure you can the sarcasm and mockery. Read the story. You started by calling me a liar!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Jus Blazin wrote:@AlphDoti, is Islamic law the same across Islam or is it different? In Kenya I don't hear of flogging. Does it happen, and if not, why? So in Islam, if a Muslim commits adultery, only if it is Islamic country, he/she will be flogged. If someone does that in Kenya, no one will flog him, only if he is in another country which follows Islamic law. Because what he is doing is causing corruption, spreading things which are not peaceful. So what you have to realize, in an Islamic country following Islamic law, and in that country such execution takes place. Like in America if someone sells secrets of the country, he will be put to death. So in Kenya, criminal offense is handled by Criminal Court. Marriage and divorce is handled by Sharia courts. Inheritance is handled by Sharia courts. Because shariah principles are a truly fair, transparent and sustainable way of building wealth in an equitable system.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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muganda wrote:Aaah Treason, finally we can begin to reason - religous arguments could not hold water, just opium for the masses, to advance Omar al-Bashir domination of simple minded folk.
She joins an illustrious list Accused of Treason: Jesus , Simon Peter, St Paul, Thomas Moore, William Wallace, Alfred Dreyfus, Nelson Mandela, Bradly Manning, Edward Snowden etc.
“It is treason, to imagine, compass and even contemplate the death of a President” Charles Njonjo. United States - Federal ...Article III Section 3 delineates treason as follows: 1. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. 2. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted. United States1. Martin James Monti, United States Army Air Forces pilot, convicted of treason for defecting to the Waffen SS in 1944. 2. William Bruce Mumford, convicted of treason and hanged in 1862 for tearing down a United States flag during the American Civil War. 3. Aaron Dwight Stevens, took part in John Brown's raid and was executed in 1860 for treason against Virginia. Others in the US1. Robert Henry Best, convicted of treason on April 16, 1948 and served a life sentence. 2. John Brown, convicted of treason in 1859 and executed for attempting to organize armed resistance to slavery. 3. Iva Toguri D'Aquino, convicted 1949. 4. Governor Thomas Dorr 1844, convicted of treason against the state of Rhode Island; 5. Mildred Gillars, also known as "Axis Sally", convicted of treason on March 8, 1949; served 12 years of a 10- to 30-year prison sentence. 6. Herbert Hans Haupt, convicted & executed of treason in 1942 after being named as a German spy7. Tomoya Kawakita, sentenced to death for treason in 1952 8. Mary Surratt, Lewis Powell, David Herold, and George Atzerodt, all convicted by military tribunal and hanged on July 7, 1865 for treason and conspiracy related to the Lincoln assassination. 9. Philip Vigol and John Mitchell, convicted of treason and sentenced to hanging;
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:Read the story. You started by calling me a liar! Where did I call you a liar and you didn't lie?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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You say that your laws are from God, and they must be upheld. But even this particular case you are still extending your inconsistency. Why? Laws must attain a certain standard or requirement to be laws. Otherwise anyone would call any pronouncement a law. And the standard to be met must be open to reason across humanity irregardless of race.
Or is this God against some races and peoples?
Besides, God is a social construct. And more often than not, geopolitically limited. Otherwise, why isn't Confucius one of your prophets? Even when Mohammed was meditating in the cave, there were other people in other places. It's not reasonable, at least to imagine that there was only one spiritual person on earth.
So 'questionable' is the idea of calling a tail a leg.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:muganda wrote:Aaah Treason, finally we can begin to reason - religous arguments could not hold water, just opium for the masses, to advance Omar al-Bashir domination of simple minded folk.
She joins an illustrious list Accused of Treason: Jesus , Simon Peter, St Paul, Thomas Moore, William Wallace, Alfred Dreyfus, Nelson Mandela, Bradly Manning, Edward Snowden etc.
“It is treason, to imagine, compass and even contemplate the death of a President” Charles Njonjo. United States - Federal ...Article III Section 3 delineates treason as follows: 1. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. 2. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted. United States1. Martin James Monti, United States Army Air Forces pilot, convicted of treason for defecting to the Waffen SS in 1944. 2. William Bruce Mumford, convicted of treason and hanged in 1862 for tearing down a United States flag during the American Civil War. 3. Aaron Dwight Stevens, took part in John Brown's raid and was executed in 1860 for treason against Virginia. Others in the US1. Robert Henry Best, convicted of treason on April 16, 1948 and served a life sentence. 2. John Brown, convicted of treason in 1859 and executed for attempting to organize armed resistance to slavery. 3. Iva Toguri D'Aquino, convicted 1949. 4. Governor Thomas Dorr 1844, convicted of treason against the state of Rhode Island; 5. Mildred Gillars, also known as "Axis Sally", convicted of treason on March 8, 1949; served 12 years of a 10- to 30-year prison sentence. 6. Herbert Hans Haupt, convicted & executed of treason in 1942 after being named as a German spy7. Tomoya Kawakita, sentenced to death for treason in 1952 8. Mary Surratt, Lewis Powell, David Herold, and George Atzerodt, all convicted by military tribunal and hanged on July 7, 1865 for treason and conspiracy related to the Lincoln assassination. 9. Philip Vigol and John Mitchell, convicted of treason and sentenced to hanging; This list is about politics and political intentions that dehumanize others. Otherwise if humanity was extolled none would be hanged.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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@Alpha I asked you a question and you have completely ignored it so I will ask again. If a Muslim woman married a Christian man as in this case is she committing adultery and fornication? It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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