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tycho wrote:...Besides that, this sentencing presents inconsistency to Islam itself.
I do not wish to trade insults, but I wish to put up a defense for this lady, and all humanity. Even if only in wazua. @tycho, let us do this. Please show me the inconsistency.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:muganda wrote:Morning warriors  I note my post was first. In the interest of learning, kindly point me to where I insulted Islam? This woman is 27yrs old, pregnant, and she faces death in 2014 for saying 'she is a Chrisitian'! The insult would be not to highlight her plight. It is a fallacy when human beings cheerfully do what is evil and shield themselves using religion, be they Sudanese militia, Israeli incursions, Medieval inquisitions, or Burma sacrifices. The truth of our discussion should be based on this specific case. For which I maintain that such laws that have sentenced this lady on the charge of apostasy are unjust and arbitrary. When it comes to choosing a religion and a human's life, the latter must have priority for Man is the formulator of all things. Besides that, this sentencing presents inconsistency to Islam itself. I do not wish to trade insults, but I wish to put up a defense for this lady, and all humanity. Even if only in wazua. ...First time @Tyco has written under the influence of nothing... It is sad that men and women can stoop so low so as to satisfy their religious quests. A dog would behave very differently!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:...Our God can't be the same as your god. Jesus told us there will be no marriage in heaven. Your book, which your supreme gave you, promises a very carnal heaven where u r promised perpetual virgins, endless erections and sweetest copulation. LOL I have an AUDIO for you. It's been done by your fellow Christians, based on " Women's vaginas taste like " wine"" (Bible Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9) http://www.answering-chr...nity.com/vagina_wine.wav
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:...Besides that, this sentencing presents inconsistency to Islam itself.
I do not wish to trade insults, but I wish to put up a defense for this lady, and all humanity. Even if only in wazua. @tycho, let us do this. Please show me the inconsistency. @AlphDoti, perhaps you have not realized it, but our conversation so far has been focused on proving this. And so far I have done my duty. I have been waiting for you to respond. Kindly.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,908
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AlphDoti wrote:@muganda, you said she's Christian, right? Please define "evil" and "sin" in terms of Christianity. Then tell me if you have the following in your Bible. And if I need holy Spirit to understand the English in the text, tell me also. Indeed she said 'she is a Christian' Bwana @AlphDoti, not all truth is to be found in my Bible or the Quran. The Milky Way for example is not mentioned once, yet it exists with absolute certainty. Admonitions that advocate we live as barbarians in 2014 are "sublime to the ignorant, useful to rulers, and ridiculous to the wise". One wonders why God gave man reason, intellect, and will! Why skew our beliefs to profess what we despise, kill, hate; is this the purpose of religion? In Christianity, this is the greatest command: “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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muganda wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@muganda, you said she's Christian, right? Please define "evil" and "sin" in terms of Christianity. Then tell me if you have the following in your Bible. And if I need holy Spirit to understand the English in the text, tell me also. Indeed she said 'she is a Christian' Bwana @AlphDoti, not all truth is to be found in my Bible or the Quran. The Milky Way for example is not mentioned once, yet it exists with absolute certainty. Admonitions that advocate we live as barbarians in 2014 are "sublime to the ignorant, useful to rulers, and ridiculous to the wise". One wonders why God gave man reason, intellect, and will! Why skew our beliefs to profess what we despise, kill, hate; is this the purpose of religion? In Christianity, this is the greatest command: “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” @muganda so you believe in the verse: Deuteronomy 13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:...Besides that, this sentencing presents inconsistency to Islam itself.
I do not wish to trade insults, but I wish to put up a defense for this lady, and all humanity. Even if only in wazua. @tycho, let us do this. Please show me the inconsistency. @AlphDoti, perhaps you have not realized it, but our conversation so far has been focused on proving this. And so far I have done my duty. I have been waiting for you to respond. Kindly. Show me the inconsistency you referred to above. In terms of words not in sets. We will handle the sets later.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,908
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Hehehe  @AlphDoti , you obviously did not internalise my post. One last time... If my father told me to kill my brother because he became an atheist, I would not. And neither would you kill your son for the same reason - that I'm sure of. Whatever the verse in the Torah said, or whatever the government said, there is simply a better way. And it is wrong in 2014, that Mariam Yahya Ibrahim is not given the freedom to chose her faith. And as God is my witness, if her and her unborn child were put to death for being Christian in 2014, her prosecutors will face the Last Judgement, because they know in their hearts that it is wrong. AlphDoti wrote:muganda wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@muganda, you said she's Christian, right? Please define "evil" and "sin" in terms of Christianity. Then tell me if you have the following in your Bible. And if I need holy Spirit to understand the English in the text, tell me also. Indeed she said 'she is a Christian' Bwana @AlphDoti, not all truth is to be found in my Bible or the Quran. The Milky Way for example is not mentioned once, yet it exists with absolute certainty. Admonitions that advocate we live as barbarians in 2014 are "sublime to the ignorant, useful to rulers, and ridiculous to the wise". One wonders why God gave man reason, intellect, and will! Why skew our beliefs to profess what we despise, kill, hate; is this the purpose of religion? In Christianity, this is the greatest command: “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” @muganda so you believe in the verse: Deuteronomy 13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:...Besides that, this sentencing presents inconsistency to Islam itself.
I do not wish to trade insults, but I wish to put up a defense for this lady, and all humanity. Even if only in wazua. @tycho, let us do this. Please show me the inconsistency. @AlphDoti, perhaps you have not realized it, but our conversation so far has been focused on proving this. And so far I have done my duty. I have been waiting for you to respond. Kindly. Show me the inconsistency you referred to above. In terms of words not in sets. We will handle the sets later. If two systems can be distinguished, then by implication there must be a third system that holds the two systems, and as such, the two systems being distinguished must be subsystems of the third system. And hence neither of the contending systems can claim completeness and consistency. And if any of the contending systems is defined by truth, in terms of completeness and consistency, then it must be apparent to those who labor for truth.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:...Besides that, this sentencing presents inconsistency to Islam itself.
I do not wish to trade insults, but I wish to put up a defense for this lady, and all humanity. Even if only in wazua. @tycho, let us do this. Please show me the inconsistency. @AlphDoti, perhaps you have not realized it, but our conversation so far has been focused on proving this. And so far I have done my duty. I have been waiting for you to respond. Kindly. Show me the inconsistency you referred to above. In terms of words not in sets. We will handle the sets later. If two systems can be distinguished, then by implication there must be a third system that holds the two systems, and as such, the two systems being distinguished must be subsystems of the third system. And hence neither of the contending systems can claim completeness and consistency. And if any of the contending systems is defined by truth, in terms of completeness and consistency, then it must be apparent to those who labor for truth. So again my brother @tycho I ask you, please show me, even one inconsistency in Islam as you allege above.
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