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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Continue fighting your pseudo wars in the name of your preferred master whether the USA or China.
Hopefully one day you will wake up and realise that the only country that is baba na mama is Kenya (not the ruling party or even the government). The country called Kenya.
When the only allegiance you owe is to Kenya, you will stop looking for evidence to exonerate or drum up support for your preferred master.
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quicksand wrote:[quote=ecstacy]The NSA under it's SOMALGET Programme can record every cell phone call in Kenya having probably used DEA ops as the pretext as it did in Bahamas to get legal telco access and leave back doors. The damage Snowden has done to years of the global US Intelligence operations is massive. Link - http://t.co/E6bkTwiy62 https://firstlook.org/th...ell-phone-call-bahamas/[/quote] I have no doubt that the NSA can tap and record phone calls - but recording an entire country's phone calls is a different animal altogether. I suspect news organizations want to give the Snowden leaks as much bite as they possibly can and draw in max revenue. This makes them susceptible to irrational exuberance with facts. Not even NSA has infinite resources. They would be frustrated by that very basic of duo problems - cost and scale. I say this as a person with a front row seat in the computing and communications arena. First - you need to break into all mobile switches and copy all traffic signals - then transfer them out to storage, which will consume a lot of bandwidth and diskspace. Not all switches originate from America. ...some come from France (alcatel), Finland (Ericsson, Nokia), China (Huawei, ZTE)..complicates cracking them. .Secondly, to decrypt the signals which even if they use breakable symmetric keys, the volume would be a huge problem. Lastly, processing the calls: Natural Language processing is still one of the hardest problems in Computer Science, even for NSA, as anyone who has used iPhone's Siri will tell you. Recording all calls is impractical and logistically improbable. What they probably do is use AI, event modelling algorithms/math (google Palantir) with metadata (easier to collect) to isolate regions/people/activities that need closer surveillanc Yes, they would be frustrated by cost and scale - until they no longer can be frustrated by cost and scale. Are they still being frustrated by cost and scale? Snowden says no. I believe him.
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murchr wrote:quicksand wrote:murchr wrote:quicksand wrote: [quote=ecstacy]The NSA under it's SOMALGET Programme can record every cell phone call in Kenya having probably used DEA ops as the pretext as it did in Bahamas to get legal telco access and leave back doors. The damage Snowden has done to years of the global US Intelligence operations is massive. Link - http://t.co/E6bkTwiy62 https://firstlook.org/th...ell-phone-call-bahamas/[/quote] I have no doubt that the NSA can tap and record phone calls - but recording an entire country's phone calls is a different animal altogether. I suspect news organizations want to give the Snowden leaks as much bite as they possibly can and draw in max revenue. This makes them susceptible to irrational exuberance with facts. Not even NSA has infinite resources. They would be frustrated by that very basic of duo problems - cost and scale. I say this as a person with a front row seat in the computing and communications arena. First - you need to break into all mobile switches and copy all traffic signals - then transfer them out to storage, which will consume a lot of bandwidth and diskspace. Not all switches originate from America. ...some come from France (alcatel), Finland (Ericsson, Nokia), China (Huawei, ZTE)..complicates cracking them. .Secondly, to decrypt the signals which even if they use breakable symmetric keys, the volume would be a huge problem. Lastly, processing the calls: Natural Language processing is still one of the hardest problems in Computer Science, even for NSA, as anyone who has used iPhone's Siri will tell you. Recording all calls is impractical and logistically improbable. What they probably do is use AI, event modelling algorithms/math (google Palantir) with metadata (easier to collect) to isolate regions/people/activities that need closer surveillanc I guess you have not heard of Metadata in analytics. Have you? Ask symbols to explain to you what that is. Here is a good article as you wait http://abcnews.go.com/bl...ople-based-on-metadata/
I know well what metadata is, without even needing to open that link. I know @symbols more for his/her metaphysical posts, and not metadata ones, kindly dig up an example if there is one Open the link at the top again. It says recording audio. Literal conversations stored a hard drive. Yes, I believe it is possible to collect nearly metadata about calls; What I have trouble believing is the collecting of audio in all calls - reread my post again. What is hard in collecting "AUDIO" disk space? Or what are u imagining? watsup saves your audio (those that you send when you dont want to text) with so much ease ni serikali? The "totality" of the audio collection. You can collect some, but not all. The sheer number of pieces of equipment you need to directly tap into to siphon audio data is huge. The Whatsapp analogy is off because with whatsapp you send them audio willingly, from the mobile through a gateway to their server. Audio in GSM is handled by things called transcode and rate adapters - they are not in a central place - each transmitter has them. After call setup, audio is directed through direct channels and only signalling control transmissions are maintained between the adapter elements and central switches. For instance, if you are talking to your shopkeeper from your house who is 30 meters away, your audio data would handled by one base transmitting station in one radio channel in one TRAU unit. This would be a closed loop, to eavesdrop, you need a direct hard tap into the unit, meaning a physical break in and a cable. Someone would notice. They do not have a software command interface or API, contrary to what hollywood movies show. In addition, these units keep getting replaced, and a new tap would be necessary with each new unit. Also there are many manufacturers, and not all are in cahoots with the NSA. You need to be a telecomms engineer to see that some of these claims are impossible to implement undetected by the owners of the network. Only if they armtwisted the networks into allowing them to tap...in which case engineers are advised to keep off some equipment or some parts of a data center.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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@Quicksand....
thanks for that elaborate explanation to some 'know it alls'
I am tempted to wonder if 'some people' think they know everything since everybody at the bar listens or agrees with them; but I wont wonder...
ati whatsapp? and they say it in a very 'casual, by the way, It can be done that simply' manner as if they know entire IT technology. ngai fafa. i felt insulted there.
The amount of database resources required in such an operation is also massive.
I cannot fathom how the U.S pulls this through
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/16/2010 Posts: 158 Location: world
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poundfoolish wrote:@Quicksand....
thanks for that elaborate explanation to some 'know it alls'
I am tempted to wonder if 'some people' think they know everything since everybody at the bar listens or agrees with them; but I wont wonder...
ati whatsapp? and they say it in a very 'casual, by the way, It can be done that simply' manner as if they know entire IT technology. ngai fafa. i felt insulted there.
The amount of database resources required in such an operation is also massive.
I cannot fathom how the U.S pulls this through  Can murchr now reply. Your move.
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mdudu wrote:poundfoolish wrote:@Quicksand....
thanks for that elaborate explanation to some 'know it alls'
I am tempted to wonder if 'some people' think they know everything since everybody at the bar listens or agrees with them; but I wont wonder...
ati whatsapp? and they say it in a very 'casual, by the way, It can be done that simply' manner as if they know entire IT technology. ngai fafa. i felt insulted there.
The amount of database resources required in such an operation is also massive.
I cannot fathom how the U.S pulls this through Can murchr now reply. Your move. What is the largest database you have ever encountered? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:mdudu wrote:poundfoolish wrote:@Quicksand....
thanks for that elaborate explanation to some 'know it alls'
I am tempted to wonder if 'some people' think they know everything since everybody at the bar listens or agrees with them; but I wont wonder...
ati whatsapp? and they say it in a very 'casual, by the way, It can be done that simply' manner as if they know entire IT technology. ngai fafa. i felt insulted there.
The amount of database resources required in such an operation is also massive.
I cannot fathom how the U.S pulls this through Can murchr now reply. Your move. What is the largest database you have ever encountered? Me?  My phone book! 
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