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Uhuru Kenyatta Tell's Off West
murchr
#91 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 7:31:13 PM
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Impunity wrote:
murchr wrote:
accelriskconsult wrote:
murchr wrote:
You should be scared that these nations are planning to attack



Which nations? attack who?

Enda police station piga report.


Polisi itafanya nini boss umefikiria kweli? Ama u hv no idea who is charged with securing the nation frm external aggression?


The back stops with your man, @Uhunye!
Go tell me to secure out borders.


But ofcourse...this is a cut & paste scenario as it happened in Yemen.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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kivairu
#92 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 8:39:26 PM
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Jubilee in it's infinite wisdom! This is a good initiative as Chinese tourists are normally allergic to terrorist attacks and grenades. And they dont read travel advisories, or do they?
They can come and harvest our elephant tasks. And take 'hawking' to a whole new level like they did in Nigeria.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-18205032

Can the cute CS Kandie shrewedly tells us projected tourist numbers and corresponding revenues expected from Afghanistan, Pakistan, India etc?

Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. –Albert Einstein.
Kratos
#93 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 8:43:57 PM
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ati choices have consequences... lets drop our pants and bend over to the west again then!That's perfection!

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
harrydre
#94 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 9:40:38 PM
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McReggae wrote:
harrydre wrote:
Talk to the tourists who know what Kenya has to offer and they will tell you they will always come irrespective of the travel advisories. There is nowhere else they will find the satisfaction that they get here.




Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly I should get my supply of sand from your supplier!!!!


some of you rejoice when these things happen all in quest of power and political mileage, as if you live on Mars.

even these tourists know it's all politics!!!
i.am.back!!!!
McReggae
#95 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 9:44:59 PM
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harrydre wrote:
McReggae wrote:
harrydre wrote:
Talk to the tourists who know what Kenya has to offer and they will tell you they will always come irrespective of the travel advisories. There is nowhere else they will find the satisfaction that they get here.




Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly I should get my supply of sand from your supplier!!!!


some of you rejoice when these things happen all in quest of power and political mileage, as if you live on Mars.

even these tourists know it's all politics!!!


Once more you fail to get the point, continue burying your head in the sand as you support Wa nyumba!!!"
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
sheri
#96 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 9:45:41 PM
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Kratos wrote:
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly ati choices have consequences... lets drop our pants and bend over to the west again then!That's perfection!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly @kratos you are evil.
murchr
#97 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 9:48:46 PM
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Me thinks theres mo here omm 14th the US said that Kenya is using too much power to fight terrorism, less than a wk later, we aint doing enuff dah!
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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guru267
#98 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 10:04:18 PM
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These are the Western tourists that caused KDF to fight its first ever war! Sad

These are the Western tourists that KDF soldiers are dying and getting traumatised for! Sad

And why does the PORK think Kenyans or Chinese want to be bombed in Mombasa?? Afadhali Mountain Gorillas in Uganda, white beaches in Zanzibar, wildebeest in Serengeti!

This Jubilee looks set for a rude shock in 2017!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
washiku
#99 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 10:12:46 PM
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Are many guys here listening to Jaggernaut or we are just looking for an opportunity to throw insults?

1. Tourists from West are critical. We have depended on them for many years. That is a FACT.
2. Kenya has always acted when their security is at stake. In fact, one of the reason that led to our army going to Somalia was that attack on a tourist on our soil. It was one of the incident that the then Interior Minister gave when he briefed the nation. FACT
3. Alshabaab has cited the fact that we are in Somalia for their continued attack. Check on point number 2 why we are there in the first place. Check why and where Osama attacked us in 1998. The interests of the WEST. FACT.

4. For the past few years, about 10 years or so, West have been issuing travel advisories against our country. This was one of the biggest battles Kibaki, Raila and Balala kept fighting with 4 many times. Kibaki even had to go to Mara and mingle with wazungus to assure the west the country is safe. Even when a tourist was attacked, they issued. Even after 98 bombing, they issued. All this time, we need to appreciate the reason why terrorists finds us an attractive target is our perceived friendship with the West. FACT.

5. We could have received money to fight crime from them and mismanaged it. They could be angry that we used the money badly. FACT. But when was the money given, who used it badly? Is the current regime then to blame for the deteriorating security? How comes then UK never came down hard on us as they have done now? Given that no tourist has been attacked as it happened before, why is their current reaction as it is? Could it be something more than security? As our allies in the terror war, how are they supporting us in view of increased threats?

6. Borrowing from number 5, if they are being withdrawn due to security, the rot won't be sorted tonight. Until we put our house in order for them to come back, what will the people who feed from tourism be eating? Alternatives should be sort and fast. That too is a FACT.

7. But again, security might not be the only reason. So what if the other reasons remain unknown or are not sorted as fast, what again will the tourism sector do? DIVERSIFY. That too is a fact. Any business model build on one basket is risky and unsustainable. The stocks guru always tells us not to put all our eggs in basket. Foreign policy is capitalistic in nature. It's vested on interests. So whether they keep coming or not, this industry will have to think on diversification for it to be stable in the long run. Think about this. Suppose security is so nice in Kenya but the countries we depend on under-went an economic downtime such that their people are not able to spend on tourism, what would we do as a country with our beautiful hotels, flora and fauna? Maybe what has been happening to us for the past few years is a lesson to us.

8. Those laughing off the 20bob tourism surely don't know the potential of this country. In a country that is so poor, do you wonder how Bob is able to have 20billion cash flow lying in his company bank account? That is the power of 1bob. Go and read what 1bob per sms is doing to their books. A country whose banks are all in billion shillings profits? A nation that almost always over-subscribes IPO? A country who alcohol industry is the biggest in the region? There are billions of shillings in this country. We just need to think creatively. Domestic tourism may not replace the foreign flows soon, but for a fact it's under utilized. The issue of that we don't visit Kenya because it's home is all in the mind. And a factor of pricing. Why should it be cheaper to fly to Dubai than spend a weekend at a 5star hotel in coast? Have you guys thought of the crowds we seen in Kenyatta beach on popular holidays?

Our security MUST be sorted. Not just for the sake of tourists, but for our sake too. In fact none of them have been affected in the near past as we have been affected. This sorting will take time. Maybe weeks, maybe months. What do we do in the meantime? In the interest of building a sustainable sector, we must stop as a matter of urgency relying on one region alone. The issue of our tourism hurting every time a certain region catches fever is unsustainable. Na haijaanza saab hii. It has been there. And our house must be put in order.

We don't have to throw unprintable words all the time just because of our political backings. By the way, the subject of this thread shows a very wrong mentality towards the problem at hand.
ecstacy
#100 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 10:14:52 PM
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guru267 wrote:
These are the Western tourists that caused KDF to fight its first ever war! Sad

These are the Western tourists that KDF soldiers are dying and getting traumatised for! Sad

And why does the PORK think Kenyans or Chinese want to be bombed in Mombasa?? Afadhali Mountain Gorillas in Uganda, white beaches in Zanzibar, wildebeest in Serengeti!

This Jubilee looks set for a rude shock in 2017!


You are totally off the mark.

The US as late as 2005 was advising Kenya AGAINST invading Somalia. Or you imagine Kenya organized an invasion overnite? The military own this decision and you could just say the Lamu kidnapping was the straw that broke the camels back. KDF intelligence gathering was slow deliberate and helped KDF successfully work with local groups to unseat Al Shabaab. KDF strategy on this is now a study matter in Western military academies.

The guys responsible for securing our internal homeland are under performing for various reasons and not purely of their own current making. Other than the foreign intelligence agencies monitoring telecoms and satellite imagery, as it stands the military intelligence are providing the most concrete working intel.

Security intelligence agencies are seriously under funded as compared to those like the US NSA alone estimated at $40 Billion and it is now showing.
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