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AlphDoti
#141 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 5:10:18 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti, 'abstaction' is relevant in this case. Why? Without it Man wouldn't be able to reason.

But perhaps to enhance our conversation I will ask you to kindly show me what I have 'abstracted' then I can clarify my objective.

You see what I meant is, set is more of abstraction and manifestation blah, blah!

Alright, let us give it a try:
I = Islam
C = Christianity
Q = Quran
H = Hadith
C1 = Christianity words of God
C2 = Christianity words of the prophets
C3 = Christianity words of the writers
N = null set (I don't want us to use null set)

I = {Q, H, C1, C2*} NB: *not in the exact words
C = {C1, C2, C3}
H = C2* NB: * not exact words
C is not a subset of I
C is not equal to I

Let us agree we can amend an erroneous basic assumption above, if we find further truth along the way.
tycho
#142 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 5:36:39 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti, 'abstaction' is relevant in this case. Why? Without it Man wouldn't be able to reason.

But perhaps to enhance our conversation I will ask you to kindly show me what I have 'abstracted' then I can clarify my objective.

You see what I meant is, set is more of abstraction and manifestation blah, blah!

Alright, let us give it a try:
I = Islam
C = Christianity
Q = Quran
H = Hadith
C1 = Christianity words of God
C2 = Christianity words of the prophets
C3 = Christianity words of the writers
N = null set (I don't want us to use null set)

I = {Q, H, C1, C2*} NB: *not in the exact words
C = {C1, C2, C3}
H = C2* NB: * not exact words
C is not a subset of I
C is not equal to I

Let us agree we can amend an erroneous basic assumption above, if we find further truth along the way.


Thank you @AlphDoti. I also agree that we can amend erroneous assumptions as we discover the truth.

Now please refer to my post #91 http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=554693#post554693

And see the premises of my argument that if the above premises are true then neither I or C can claim to be 'the truth'. Please verify that the condition for either I or C to be 'the truth', one must be a subset of the other.
Lolest!
#143 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 6:26:42 PM
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i am shocked that Mohammedans are waiting for a presently dead person to intercede for them. At whichever point this dead fellow intercedes for them. Interesting!
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Lolest!
#144 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 6:39:20 PM
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@JB, Most serious adherents of these two faiths are fundamentalist. They believe they're right and everyone else is wrong. Infact, Jesus declares that he is the only way. He further says that NO ONE goes to the Father except by him. Do the 2 religions believe in the same deity? NO. Me thinks Jesus was either a mad man or the son of God sent to save us.
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Lolest!
#145 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 6:44:01 PM
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There was this British teacher in Sudan who was jailed for naming a doll Mohammed. The name was suggested by her young pupils. The way these guys venerate the dead prophet makes me conclude he's a god to them just like Allah
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AlphDoti
#146 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 6:50:49 PM
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Jus Blazin wrote:
@AlphDoti, @guru, @Muriel, @Lolest, @et al, if Muslims, Christians and Jews believe in the same God, if they are all classified as Abrahamic religions, if all major prophets who passed the message are found in these religions, then the question of which religion is the truth becomes void. They are all the truth. The difference is human nature in interpretation and understanding, leading to differences in beliefs.

My point is, this back and forth we are having here will only create protagonists and antagonists where there's actually supposed to be none.

You have some point, but over simplified. Let me dissect it for you.

(a). First, only the religion of submission to God's Will, the religion that God wants. One word for that in the Arabic language is "Islam". So Quran says no Judaism, no Christianity, but Islam.

(b). Secondly, the whole world will tell you Judaism came before Christianity, and Christianity came before Islam. Because Moses lived long before Jesus, and Jesus lived long before Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon them all).

Let us now analyze:

(c). Ask any Jew what is your religion, and he will tell you his religion is Judaism. This word Judaism is not in Torah. This term Judaism was created, concocted by the non-Jews. Saying it is the religion followed by the children of Judah, in Judea, is Judaism. Moses did not say that. David or Solomon did not utter that word, they never heard that term Judaism. Jesus never heard the word Judaism Shame on you

(d). So next, then what was the religion taught by Moses? Moses never heard the word Judaism. I expect him to say that "my religion is the religion of total submission to God's will" (a beautiful definition of the teachings of God). And I will tell him one word for that, in the Arabic language is Islam. No such thing as Judaism or Christianity.

(e). So next, where did Christianity come from?
Did Jesus give his religion saying my religion is Christianity? Did he say that I'm Christ? If you know, Christ is a Greek translation of the Hebrew word Messiah. Messiah, in Arabic is Masih, which means the annointed one. So the Hebrew word for that is messiah, means anointed.
The Greek word for messiah is Christos. But Chritos is a bit too long, so the cut off the "os" and left with Christ. So the Greek translation of the Hebrew word messiah. Jesus never heard the term "Christ" in his lifetime Shame on you
He never heard the word Christianity in his lifetime, it was unheard, it is a later on creation Shame on you

(f). Christinanity is a creation. The term "Christianity" is in the new testament. It says that the enemies of the followers of Jesus, pointed to them at Antioch and for the first time they used the term "These are Christians".
Meaning the worshippers of Christ. Acts 11.26. This was long after Jesus had ascended to heaven, and after Saul had persecuted the disciples and after he had "joined" Peter and his group. Before Saul joined Peter, there were NO Christians. So the Christians liked the term, so they adopted it. From it you get Christianity. That is Christian => Christiniaty, was the term coined, invented by the enemies of the followers of Jesus.

(g). So what does that mean? It means that the group of Jesus and his disciples was not Christian.

Conclusion
These systems: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are there. But "Judaism" is not in Torah, "Christianity" is not in the Bible. Only "Islam" is in the Quran.
AlphDoti
#147 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 6:55:54 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
There was this British teacher in Sudan who was jailed for naming a doll Mohammed. The name was suggested by her young pupils. The way these guys venerate the dead prophet makes me conclude he's a god to them just like Allah

No, he's not God. We just don't allow him being mocked. Simple. Muslims never start thread mocking Christians. Muslims never mock Jesus (pbuh). Muslims never have a doll called Jesus. And you come cheating us ati young pupils suggested!

#YouStopWeStop
AlphDoti
#148 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 7:00:44 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
@JB, Most serious adherents of these two faiths are fundamentalist. They believe they're right and everyone else is wrong. Infact, Jesus declares that he is the only way. He further says that NO ONE goes to the Father except by him. Do the 2 religions believe in the same deity? NO. Me thinks Jesus was either a mad man or the son of God sent to save us.

@lonest! when you come back, you come back with a lot of ignorance. I always educate you. If you do a simple search of words from me to you, you'll find that you keep recycling allegations. The misconceptions don't leave you?

Muslims are taught to follow all prophets of God, because they are the ONLY Way to Heaven, including Jesus (pbuh).
(1). During the time of Noah (peace be upon him), he was the way to God. Those who followed Noah were saved physically and spiritually.
(2). During the time of Moses (peace be upon him), he was the way to God. Those who followed Moses were saved physically and spiritually.
(3). During the time of Jesus (peace be upon him), he was the way to God. Those who followed Jesus were saved physically and spiritually.
(4). During this current time, the time of Muhammad (peace and blessings of God be upon him), he is the way to God. If you want to be saved physically and spiritually, then you should follow him.

That's why you see Muslims following the teachings of the prophets. This include teachings of Jesus (pbuh). But Muslims don't worship prophets.
AlphDoti
#149 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 7:05:21 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti, 'abstaction' is relevant in this case. Why? Without it Man wouldn't be able to reason.

But perhaps to enhance our conversation I will ask you to kindly show me what I have 'abstracted' then I can clarify my objective.

You see what I meant is, set is more of abstraction and manifestation blah, blah!

Alright, let us give it a try:
I = Islam
C = Christianity
Q = Quran
H = Hadith
C1 = Christianity words of God
C2 = Christianity words of the prophets
C3 = Christianity words of the writers
N = null set (I don't want us to use null set)

I = {Q, H, C1, C2*} NB: *not in the exact words
C = {C1, C2, C3}
H = C2* NB: * not exact words
C is not a subset of I
C is not equal to I

Let us agree we can amend an erroneous basic assumption above, if we find further truth along the way.

Thank you @AlphDoti. I also agree that we can amend erroneous assumptions as we discover the truth.

Now please refer to my post #91 http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=554693#post554693

And see the premises of my argument that if the above premises are true then neither I or C can claim to be 'the truth'. Please verify that the condition for either I or C to be 'the truth', one must be a subset of the other.

@tycho can you show how truth is manifested. Please define 'the truth'.
meme
#150 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 7:18:46 PM
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Hakuna haja ya kujifanya....

I know very few muslims personally. I know very little about Islam.
So Guru your views to me represent everything I know about Islam.
Please dont represent all muslims as angry abusive people. I know you feel hated( its kinda obvious) but if the Allah you serve id trully God why not let him fight for you. You dont have to call people retards. Be better than that man!
Patience. You cannot have a baby in one month by impregnating nine women....
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