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sparkly wrote:When we talk of China having USD 2Tn worth of US bonds, are we talking of the Chinese people through the gov or Chinese Corporations? If the later, the reality is that the Chinese Corporations are actually subsidiaries and associates of American Multinationals like Apple, Microsoft, GE etc which cannot repatriate their overseas profits directly into the USA due to taxation. They buy gov debt all over the world instead of paying dividends to Shareholders. The inclusion of caribbean banking centres in the list of top USA debt holders convinces me that the latter is the case. The US owes the Chinese Government. Link 1 January Figures. Link 2Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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the reality is that there is a real security threat out there which we do not have the security manpower to deal with. that is a fact. we cannot protect our own citizens let alone others. forget terrorism, our forces cannot even deal with the local thugs, while our cops are busy with debates on tinted windows! our security agencies are running around like headless chickens after every attack - no one knows who is doing what i.e. in the case of westgate attack. its time to face real issues and have real leadership. not to divert issues and blame the west. china and the west are here for their own gains and do not give a toss about our welfare.
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Security is a threat everywhere in the world. Are we saying that TZ is more secure than Kenya? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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So was Kenya engaging in economic sabotage when it removed its citizens when guys started having issues there? And now are you going to add the UN to the list of westerners who hate Kenya? They have issued their own advisory and telling people to keep off. This economy will be in shambles if all that gov't hacks can think about is hating britain. The shilling dropped today and is expected to get to 88 by weekend. Reason, security concerns. Not britain. Went to a business forum yesterday and I'm sorry to report to the usual suspects that no one is buying this rubbish. Everyone is in one voice saying the gov't needs to do what its supposed to do. Not blaming Raira, Britain, Wako, Kibaki or any new boogeyman they will come up with tommorow Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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pops wrote:the reality is that there is a real security threat out there which we do not have the security manpower to deal with. that is a fact. we cannot protect our own citizens let alone others. forget terrorism, our forces cannot even deal with the local thugs, while our cops are busy with debates on tinted windows! our security agencies are running around like headless chickens after every attack - no one knows who is doing what i.e. in the case of westgate attack. its time to face real issues and have real leadership. not to divert issues and blame the west. china and the west are here for their own gains and do not give a toss about our welfare. @pops, well said. kenya's internal security is wanting. carjackings and breakins are the order of the day. police are simply overwhelmed by local thugs so there is nothing they can do about international terrorists. the recent set up of NGAO ,safcom, is a step i the right direction and results will take years to be seen. other measures eg reforming the internal security setup are still needed as we investigate who is setting up these bombs. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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Murchr you started connecting dots last week on a different thread. I recommend that you go to the nearest police station and avail the evidence you have so that the suspects are apprehended.
I demand nothing but protection from the government having given up the right to bear arms and agreeing to being governed and paying my taxes. When a government gives up its monopoly on violence, it also gives up its right to rule and govern.
Let the Police move with haste, arrest whoever it is that they suspect of being behind the bombings, arraign the suspect in court and have him behind bars for the rest of his life. Whether American, Chinese, Giriama, hata kama ni baba. I don't care, all I want is security. I am not interested in listening to 'suspicions', skulduggery and spin to explain away the governments failures.
If there is any Wazuan with the information some people here claim to be having, let that info be availed to the rightful state agencies.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2014 Posts: 1,420 Location: Bohemian Grove
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My observation is that Britain & the rest of the Western powers likes championing projects centered around democracy n good governance. On face value they are well intended but my biggest concern is how to quantify them. China on the other hand is more infrastructure oriented with way less preconditions. With this sabotage issue, Britain is acting like a frog that prevents a cow from drinking water. They're not funding vision 2030 mega projects yet acting jilted when other countries offer us their money.
ps. I've no political inclinations.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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accelriskconsult wrote:Murchr you started connecting dots last week on a different thread. I recommend that you go to the nearest police station and avail the evidence you have so that the suspects are apprehended.
I demand nothing but protection from the government having given up the right to bear arms and agreeing to being governed and paying my taxes. When a government gives up its monopoly on violence, it also gives up its right to rule and govern.
Let the Police move with haste, arrest whoever it is that they suspect of being behind the bombings, arraign the suspect in court and have him behind bars for the rest of his life. Whether American, Chinese, Giriama, hata kama ni baba. I don't care, all I want is security. I am not interested in listening to 'suspicions', skulduggery and spin to explain away the governments failures.
If there is any Wazuan with the information some people here claim to be having, let that info be availed to the rightful state agencies. Where do you live Mars? If this is too complex 4 you spare us the ignorance "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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whiteowl wrote:My observation is that Britain & the rest of the Western powers likes championing projects centered around democracy n good governance. On face value they are well intended but my biggest concern is how to quantify them. China on the other hand is more infrastructure oriented with way less preconditions. With this sabotage issue, Britain is acting like a frog that prevents a cow from drinking water. They're not funding vision 2030 mega projects yet acting jilted when other countries offer us their money.
ps. I've no political inclinations. For the umpteenth time, I will ask for prove that the West is sabotaging Kenya's economy. How do you expect tourists and foreign investors to trust the government and come over to Kenya when the messages the government and its sycophants are sending across are as follows; 1. The UK and US are jealous of the relationship between Kenya and China 2. The West is responsible for terror attacks 3. The opposition is responsible for terror attacks 4. The Al Shabaab is attacking us but we are winning the war on terror The inconsistent messages are interpreted to mean that; a) the government and its sycophants do not know who the true enemy is and therefore cannot be possibly expected to protect any would be visitors b) the government is seeking cheap sympathy instead of delivering public goods such as food and security. Even before grenades started exploding every where and scaring tourists away, the government had already introduced VAT on park fees and its top honchos appeared to be protecting poachers. Now that is evidence of economic sabotage- by the government!
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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murchr wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:Murchr you started connecting dots last week on a different thread. I recommend that you go to the nearest police station and avail the evidence you have so that the suspects are apprehended.
I demand nothing but protection from the government having given up the right to bear arms and agreeing to being governed and paying my taxes. When a government gives up its monopoly on violence, it also gives up its right to rule and govern.
Let the Police move with haste, arrest whoever it is that they suspect of being behind the bombings, arraign the suspect in court and have him behind bars for the rest of his life. Whether American, Chinese, Giriama, hata kama ni baba. I don't care, all I want is security. I am not interested in listening to 'suspicions', skulduggery and spin to explain away the governments failures.
If there is any Wazuan with the information some people here claim to be having, let that info be availed to the rightful state agencies. Where do you live Mars? If this is too complex 4 you spare us the ignorance What does it matter where I live? Christopher Muchiri, You have been insinuating that there is a force unconnected to Al Shabaab that is responsible for terror attacks since last week, I have challenged you severally to be the patriot you claim to be and report at the nearest police station. Of course you have not because you are just an apologist trying to deflect attention from a government that is fumbling, befuddled and failing in its core mandate.
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