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symbols		#11 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 11:09:56 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		Accountability.
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tycho		#12 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 11:20:56 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		We need to be sure that we are stating the problem correctly. I see 'terrorism' as a form of warfare in the global order. It is organized around defeating the idea of the status quo and its state system. So clearly, all isolationist policies like building walls, denying other humans places of refuge and at the same time not being involved in problem solving amongst peoples and nations should be out of question.
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Pedes		#13 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 11:25:04 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2013 Posts: 659		guru267 wrote: Its a process! 1. Get out of Somalia (all the tourist we were fighting to protect are now gone anyway) 2. Build a massive fence around all our borders. Its way cheaper than a wall and has been fairly effective in SA and USA 3. Seriously step up border patrols to include 24 hr patrols, air patrols and CCTV. 4. Develop marginalized areas of the country to reduce domestic grievances. 5. Refugee camps should be exactly at the borders at worst to monitor movement of Refugees. 6. Refugees outside camps should have special IDs. 7. OleLenku, Kimaiyo, Gichangi, Muhoro and Waweru should all go! All are either to old or flat out incompetent 8. NIS should be revamped into a 21st century spy network. 9. Arming of private security or significantly beef up police service. 10. Consult with Museveni on how he does it! 11. Deal with corruption. This would be hard however because corruption is one of the definitions of Kenyan society! 1. PORK: cant happen. 2. Massive fence around our borders?Wild beast migration je? 3. This can be done, requires a lot of logistics. 4. Inequality/poverty does make a good hunting ground for terror recruiters. 5&6 New generation ID cards for them that can be tracked courtesy of the Safaricom built security surveillance system might help. 7. Ole Lenku and Kimaiyo and cogs in a wheel, I doubt whether they have much leeway in formulating policies other than reading them out. How is the security policy formulated. We will fire people but as long as the policy aint right... 8. These are have their right hands tied at their backs, because of their forebears action they are just analysts. 9. Beef up police, the way some watchmen can ask for that ID, with a gun...kwanza watu wa Naswa will be shot 10. Geography favours him.. for now. 11. Now hapo...ndio chinda iko na huanzia If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
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nakujua		#14 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 11:29:39 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya		masukuma wrote: Impunity wrote: What about building a huge wall along the boarder like they do in Israel? who told you somali refugees are actually the ones bombing you? it's nywele ngumus like you and me!! building a 700km wall is pointless and expensive (it's like building a wall from Mau Summit to Mambasani) That's the wrong assumption most are making, that its the somali citizens who are doing it. Me thinks the al shab don't know much of whats going on locally and I don't think they care much, they have enough worries back home. The latest attacks have a reported link to locals and as such they should be treated as criminal activities, the moment we stop labeling any explosion as a terrorist activity the sooner we will handle this issue in a sober and non-emotional manner.
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McReggae		#15 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 11:35:22 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi		nakujua wrote: masukuma wrote: Impunity wrote: What about building a huge wall along the boarder like they do in Israel? who told you somali refugees are actually the ones bombing you? it's nywele ngumus like you and me!! building a 700km wall is pointless and expensive (it's like building a wall from Mau Summit to Mambasani) That's the wrong assumption most are making, that its the somali citizens who are doing it. Me thinks the al shab don't know much of whats going on locally and I don't think they care much, they have enough worries back home. The latest attacks have a reported link to locals and as such they should be treated as criminal activities, the moment we stop labeling any explosion as a terrorist activity the sooner we will handle this issue in a sober and non-emotional manner. Who says locals can't commit acts of terrorism? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Impunity		#16 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 11:39:26 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,335 Location: Masada		nakujua wrote: masukuma wrote: Impunity wrote: What about building a huge wall along the boarder like they do in Israel? who told you somali refugees are actually the ones bombing you? it's nywele ngumus like you and me!! building a 700km wall is pointless and expensive (it's like building a wall from Mau Summit to Mambasani) That's the wrong assumption most are making, that its the somali citizens who are doing it. Me thinks the al shab don't know much of whats going on locally and I don't think they care much, they have enough worries back home. The latest attacks have a reported link to locals and as such they should be treated as criminal activities, the moment we stop labeling any explosion as a terrorist activity the sooner we will handle this issue in a sober and non-emotional manner. If the Somalis are not the ones doing the terror attacks then we are left with one terrible truth, "the storm is kwoming"...!! Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Muriel		#17 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 11:42:40 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142		tycho wrote: We need to be sure that we are stating the problem correctly. I see 'terrorism' as a form of warfare in the global order. It is organized around defeating the idea of the status quo and its state system. So clearly, all isolationist policies like building walls, denying other humans places of refuge and at the same time not being involved in problem solving amongst peoples and nations should be out of question. To the extent that the status quo and the state system and the global order is changing, 'terrorism' then is winning the war.
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nakujua		#18 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 11:53:56 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya		McReggae wrote: nakujua wrote: masukuma wrote: Impunity wrote: What about building a huge wall along the boarder like they do in Israel? who told you somali refugees are actually the ones bombing you? it's nywele ngumus like you and me!! building a 700km wall is pointless and expensive (it's like building a wall from Mau Summit to Mambasani) That's the wrong assumption most are making, that its the somali citizens who are doing it. Me thinks the al shab don't know much of whats going on locally and I don't think they care much, they have enough worries back home. The latest attacks have a reported link to locals and as such they should be treated as criminal activities, the moment we stop labeling any explosion as a terrorist activity the sooner we will handle this issue in a sober and non-emotional manner. Who says locals can't commit acts of terrorism? local can commit acts of terror, but in the current context, no group has been linked and none has come out to claim responsibility and /or make demands. but if you insist, then its true, actually the definition of terrorism; Quote: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal I think it might be true as you have pointed out, concerning the locals
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guru267		#19 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 12:03:49 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi		nakujua wrote: The latest attacks have a reported link to locals and as such they should be treated as criminal activities, the moment we stop labeling any explosion as a terrorist activity the sooner we will handle this issue in a sober and non-emotional manner. Is it that guys are just naive or are Kenyans just so political in their thinking?? What happened to the police report that said Al Shabaab has local cells and your son could be a recruit?? What happened to all those eloquent Kiswahili speakers in the terror videos?? CORD couldn't sneak in one grenade to this country even if they tried! I wonder who in CORD knows how to assemble an IED! They are more "nywele ngumus" in Al Shabaab today than you could ever imagine thats why y'all are here blaming CORD Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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masukuma		#20 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 12:21:07 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		we just need to turn this place into a police state!! while freedom is non negotiable - privacy can be negotiated on!! we need dirt on everyone!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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