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Mukiri
#101 Posted : Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:41:31 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
Applause Applause Applause
The questions I've been silently asking, eloquently addressed.


You are perfect evidence of what emotions can do to someones intelligence in terms of serious damage!

Your envy for Islam has led you seek the view of an ex terrorist to soothe your ego!

Its even sad to watch how you delude yourself using any possible tool!

Why can't you worship your men, women, statues and crosses in peace because no one has forced you to join Islam!


Phew! Atleast you didn't call me a monkey.

I hear you, and shall henceforth heed your call. Worship what I worship in peace, and keep my Islamic questions to myself.

PS: Does your statement also mean you'll cease your attacks on Christianity?

Proverbs 19:21
guru267
#102 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 4:17:07 AM
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Mukiri wrote:
PS: Does your statement also mean you'll cease your attacks on Christianity?


I don't think its possible for me to care any less about Christianity than I do today!
As long as I have my Islam the whole world could convert to Christianity and I just wouldn't blink!

On the other hand ironically we are talking about attacking Christianity in a thread attacking Islam! Laughing out loudly

As much as I could, I have never come here to start a thread attacking Christianity..

Its like you and some others here are so jealous of Islam that you can't sleep peacefully until you have hurled an insult towards Muhammad and his believers!

SORT OUT THE LOG IN YOUR OWN EYES!

Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Lolest!
#103 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 4:37:00 AM
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Just remember that woman. Pray for her...You can imagine having to die for refusing to convert to the worship of Muhammad. She already said she was never a Muslim!
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Lolest!
#104 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 4:47:53 AM
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and that joke that Jesus was a Muslim is still here? From people who claim Jesus is Muslim because he followed the law? Jesus was Lord over the law and he came to FULFILL the law and the prophets. He did not just ask us to follow the law but enhanced it to show how hard it is for man to keep the law in its true spirit eg he said being unrighteously angry is equivalent to being a murderer. Looking at someone lustfully is equivalent to adultery! He pointed us to HIM as he is the only WAY
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
AlphDoti
#105 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 6:51:08 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
and that joke that Jesus was a Muslim is still here? From people who claim Jesus is Muslim because he followed the law? Jesus was Lord over the law and he came to FULFILL the law and the prophets. He did not just ask us to follow the law but enhanced it to show how hard it is for man to keep the law in its true spirit eg he said being unrighteously angry is equivalent to being a murderer. Looking at someone lustfully is equivalent to adultery! He pointed us to HIM as he is the only WAY




I quote @guru:
Quote:
10 reasons why Jesus the Messiah and Christ was a Muslim!

1. He believed in one God (did not discuss, teach or pray to Trinity)
2. He only ate halal food (as instructed in the OT)
3. He never touched pork
4. He did not drink alcohol (not all wine is alcoholic)
5. He grew a beard
6. He was circumcised
7. His mother wore a hijab
8. He prostrated to God in prayer
9. He fasted
10. He always wore ihram (Unstitched garments and sandals)
AlphDoti
#106 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 7:04:13 AM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
@tycho Islam is a system. If you want to call it a set, it is up to you. You see Allah (Almighty God) the Creator of the universe Has set up a system how things relate to one another, system how the things relate to Allah. If the sustenance does not lead to a peaceful existence them that is not a complete system.

If a system does not give specific instruction on how to live, them who is supposed to come up with this instruction.

There is no null in the system called Islam.


AlphDoti, when it comes to matters of truth it only matters that one should show to an other the truth by way of reason. And reason has its structure and form. That's how there can be reasonable conversation.

In our case, it can be shown that 'set' and 'system' can not only be used interchangeably but are necessary for this conversation.

Please also note that my use of 'nullity' is different from yours. I have mentioned it as the result of an interelation of systems. Otherwise, I believe you're not giving an adequate response.

@tycho this truth is not scientific fact. It cannot be verified by scientific research or laboratory experiment. But we can analyze the system in specific terms, not by abstraction of nulls and undefined sets.
tycho
#107 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 7:37:45 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
@tycho Islam is a system. If you want to call it a set, it is up to you. You see Allah (Almighty God) the Creator of the universe Has set up a system how things relate to one another, system how the things relate to Allah. If the sustenance does not lead to a peaceful existence them that is not a complete system.

If a system does not give specific instruction on how to live, them who is supposed to come up with this instruction.

There is no null in the system called Islam.


AlphDoti, when it comes to matters of truth it only matters that one should show to an other the truth by way of reason. And reason has its structure and form. That's how there can be reasonable conversation.

In our case, it can be shown that 'set' and 'system' can not only be used interchangeably but are necessary for this conversation.

Please also note that my use of 'nullity' is different from yours. I have mentioned it as the result of an interelation of systems. Otherwise, I believe you're not giving an adequate response.

@tycho this truth is not scientific fact. It cannot be verified by scientific research or laboratory experiment. But we can analyze the system in specific terms, not by abstraction of nulls and undefined sets.


Sets here are defined, 'null' seems to be a complex to you unfortunately, and reason must be demonstrated, not merely asserted. Let me give you an example; a court of law values truth, hence employs a method of reaching this truth. Same here. Except that now you're trying to dodge the matter.

Then also this last post is inconsistent with your Muslim protestations like;

1. Mohammed the prophet was privy to scientific knowledge

2. That humans should be reasonable

So far, you're going counter to these ideas that you've claimed to uphold.
Muriel
#108 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 9:03:45 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Muriel wrote:
He then makes himself a mediator, making himself as important as approaching him is synonymous with invoking Allah. Yes. He has made himself Allah's partner sharing Allah's prerogatives such as forgiveness of sins which is explicitly a divine function.

I say put Mohammed to death, posthumously.


You continue to prove how much of NOTHING you know about Islam! Laughing out loudly

Unlike Christians, Muslims first have to ask God for permission to allow Jesus/Muhammad to intercede for us.

The problem is that Christians think that calling on a man or woman without God's permission will be of any use to them!

How logical is it to call unto a created man like Jesus who called unto the creator God Almighty??



Muslims ask Allah for permission to allow Mohammed to intercede for muslims. A most important point you have stated. I love it!

Allah has to allow mohammed to intercede for you, right? Sunni Islam just shot itself in the foot,thanks to Guru. A most contradictory religion. Please decide if you are shia or sunni.

1. It is an act of shirk to associate others with allah. S. 46:4. So Guru, you are a mushirk. Damn. I told you Islamic monotheism is the greatest hoax in the world and thanks for confirming, mushirk.

2. It is a major sin to call upon anyone in the unseen, a dead person, angel, devil or jinn for help or intercession. Mohammed will disown you thoroughly in kiama. S. 23:117. More than alphdoti, even.

3. Mohammed did not create anything on the earth or a portion of the heaven hence he must not be invoked! Dua must only be made to allah only! Hadithis say nothing is dearer to allah than supplication. S. 2:186. Yet here is guru offering supplication to mohammed, mushirk.

4. If you, guru, honestly believes that you can get things done by contacting the souls of the dead, then why can’t you get your ordinary needs fulfilled through this channel? Guru, why not put you to the test: Withhold all of the essential services from you and challenge you to get things done through the soul of the so called departed mohammed; should you ever fall sick, you should be refused to get any treatment as you can get yourself easily through Mohammed.


Guru, zalimun, you can attack individual christians all you want, perhaps they have made themselves objects of ridicule, but I will focus my attack on mohammed, mohammed and mohammed only, as I am doing.

This is a duty I have given myself with much relish.

I end by re-asking the very same question you asked "How logical is it to call unto a created man like mohammed who called unto the creator allah god almighty?

I beg of you to contradict this that will prove to me then that Islam is indeed self contradictory.

The floor is yours.
guru267
#109 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 10:38:52 AM
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Muriel wrote:
How logical is it to call unto a created man like mohammed who called unto the creator allah god almighty?

I beg of you to contradict this that will prove to me then that Islam is indeed self contradictory.

The floor is yours.


Your emotions and envy are either making you retarded or lose understanding of English!!

By asking Allah (swt) to allow Muhammad (saw) to intercede for us I am PRAYING TO ALLAH not Muhammad!

Meaning Allah can reject or accept your request for intercession but only HE is the final boss and has final say!

Mushriks on the otherhand actually pray directly to the dead man or woman for a guaranteed intercession!

eg "Holy Mary, mother of God pray for us sinners now and the hour of hour death"

In Islam it is a great sin to pray to Muhammad!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#110 Posted : Monday, May 19, 2014 10:44:33 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
You can imagine having to die for refusing to convert to the worship of Muhammad.


So who worships Muhammad?? Who even prays to Muhammad?? Why in God's name would anyone pray to a man who ate, slept, and took a dump just like themselves??

Muslims only worship the creator of the heavens and earth.. the creator of all that is seen and unseen!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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