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tycho
#91 Posted : Sunday, May 18, 2014 8:33:06 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
@AlphDoti, is it possible for a non Muslim to appreciate your above post(s) without necessarily being a Muslim? That is, is truth independent of Islam, and accessible to all who care?

Islam is truth. There cannot be any truth aside from Islam. This is why all prophets including Jesus (peace be upon them all) were all Muslims.

The assertion that Islam is truth, can't be the answer to the question asked @AlphDoti. The question is on the 'communicability' of this truth and the conditions for such a communication.

So I will kindly ask you to re-read my post if you can.

You asked two questions:
1. It's my intention that a non-Muslim appreciates. The question would be whether you appreciate.
2. I already answered that one, Islam is truth itself and accessible to all. Islam is the system and a Muslim is the one who follows that system. if yiu apreciate that God neing the Designer of designers, you will rwalize He has given us a sustem on hiw to live on the planet. This is why all prophets including Jesus (peace be upon them all) were all Muslims. They were sent by same God with the same message.


Thank you.

Allow me to re-state your post, for more understanding.

Islam is a definable system that is complete and consistent, and it is expected that members of other systems can appreciate this.

That is, if Islam is system 'I', and say Christianity 'C', then 'C' must necessarily be a subset or subsystem of 'I'. Or any other system like Buddhism must be a subsystem of 'I'. Hence the assertion that ALL prophets that have been universally were of the system 'I'.

But is this argument complete and consistent in itself? No. Your list of prophets doesn't include all the prophets of the world, and if systems 'C' and 'I' if presented as sets have either a null set or elements less than 'I' or 'C' as their disjunction.

That is, your post isn't logically true. And Islam(and neither Christianity) is not 'the system'.

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kysse
#92 Posted : Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:46:51 AM
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The koran suffers from a split personality.
And the god of islam suffers from a split personality.

Problem is that muslims do not understand their own religion.Before they say that islam is a relion of peace and compassion.. The god of islam calls to kill any non-muslim.

There are several unrelable views of several islamic thinkers but their authority doesn't supercede that of the god os islam who says 'slay the people of the book (polytheists) wherever you find them'.

The muslims must be honest with themselves and with the rest of the world.Mohammed killed the jews,killed their children and captured their women.
This is the supreme role of the muslims 'the religion of peace'.


Quote:
People who get the final picture of mohammed,those are the people who are considered MOST DANGEROUS terrorists.


Ok feel free to call names and tarnish,it's an accepted reaction whenever the truth is exposed.
Facts still remain.

Adios.
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AlphDoti
#93 Posted : Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:51:51 AM
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@tycho Islam is a system. If you want to call it a set, it is up to you. You see Allah (Almighty God) the Creator of the universe Has set up a system how things relate to one another, system how the things relate to Allah. If the sustenance does not lead to a peaceful existence them that is not a complete system.

If a system does not give specific instruction on how to live, them who is supposed to come up with this instruction.

There is no null in the system called Islam.
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AlphDoti
#94 Posted : Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:57:28 AM
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kysse wrote:

Quote:
The koran suffers from a split personality.
And the god of islam suffers from a split personality.

Problem is that muslims do not understand their own religion.Before they say that islam is a relion of peace and compassion.. The god of islam calls to kill any non-muslim.

There are several unrelable views of several islamic thinkers but their authority doesn't supercede that of the god os islam who says 'slay the people of the book (polytheists) wherever you find them'.

The muslims must be honest with themselves and with the rest of the world.Mohammed killed the jews,killed their children and captured their women.
This is the supreme role of the muslims 'the religion of peace'.

Ok feel free to call names and tarnish,it's an accepted reaction whenever truth is revealed.
Facts still remain.

Adios.

@kysse I'll let @guru handle you on this one. Because it seems you don't learn, actually you're not interested in knowing because how many times does someone needs to be explained something to understand. I wrote a whole three paragraphs on this but you turned back and said you can't read coz it was long. You can go ask that guy up there which verse he is talking about and search here and you'll get my response.

If you're not searching for something, then you won't find. If you think you know it all, then you won't know that there is something you don't know.
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kysse
#95 Posted : Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:32:35 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
kysse wrote:

Quote:
The koran suffers from a split personality.
And the god of islam suffers from a split personality.

Problem is that muslims do not understand their own religion.Before they say that islam is a relion of peace and compassion.. The god of islam calls to kill any non-muslim.

There are several unrelable views of several islamic thinkers but their authority doesn't supercede that of the god os islam who says 'slay the people of the book (polytheists) wherever you find them'.

The muslims must be honest with themselves and with the rest of the world.Mohammed killed the jews,killed their children and captured their women.
This is the supreme role of the muslims 'the religion of peace'.

Ok feel free to call names and tarnish,it's an accepted reaction whenever truth is revealed.
Facts still remain.

Adios.

@kysse I'll let @guru handle you on this one. I wrote a whole three paragraphs on this but you turned back and said you can't read coz it was long. You can go ask that guy up there which verse he is talking about and search here and you'll get my response.


#sigh#

on 2nd thought..

off to get a massage
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tycho
#96 Posted : Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:20:23 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
@tycho Islam is a system. If you want to call it a set, it is up to you. You see Allah (Almighty God) the Creator of the universe Has set up a system how things relate to one another, system how the things relate to Allah. If the sustenance does not lead to a peaceful existence them that is not a complete system.

If a system does not give specific instruction on how to live, them who is supposed to come up with this instruction.

There is no null in the system called Islam.


AlphDoti, when it comes to matters of truth it only matters that one should show to an other the truth by way of reason. And reason has its structure and form. That's how there can be reasonable conversation.

In our case, it can be shown that 'set' and 'system' can not only be used interchangeably but are necessary for this conversation.

Please also note that my use of 'nullity' is different from yours. I have mentioned it as the result of an interelation of systems. Otherwise, I believe you're not giving an adequate response.
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guru267
#97 Posted : Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:43:37 PM
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kysse wrote:

Quote:
The koran suffers from a split personality.
And the god of islam suffers from a split personality.

Problem is that muslims do not understand their own religion.Before they say that islam is a relion of peace and compassion.. The god of islam calls to kill any non-muslim.

There are several unrelable views of several islamic thinkers but their authority doesn't supercede that of the god os islam who says 'slay the people of the book (polytheists) wherever you find them'.

The muslims must be honest with themselves and with the rest of the world.Mohammed killed the jews,killed their children and captured their women.
This is the supreme role of the muslims 'the religion of peace'.


Quote:
People who get the final picture of mohammed,those are the people who are considered MOST DANGEROUS terrorists.



I really do not what to respond to this!

Asking a child of a Hamas terrorist General about Islam is like asking the child of a General in the Lord's Resistance Army about Christianity... Liar Shame on you Liar Sad d'oh! Liar Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Liar Shame on you Liar


Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Mukiri
#98 Posted : Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:10:00 PM
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kysse wrote:

Quote:
The koran suffers from a split personality.
And the god of islam suffers from a split personality.

Problem is that muslims do not understand their own religion.Before they say that islam is a relion of peace and compassion.. The god of islam calls to kill any non-muslim.

There are several unrelable views of several islamic thinkers but their authority doesn't supercede that of the god os islam who says 'slay the people of the book (polytheists) wherever you find them'.

The muslims must be honest with themselves and with the rest of the world.Mohammed killed the jews,killed their children and captured their women.
This is the supreme role of the muslims 'the religion of peace'.


Quote:
People who get the final picture of mohammed,those are the people who are considered MOST DANGEROUS terrorists.


Applause Applause Applause
The questions I've been silently asking, eloquently addressed.

Proverbs 19:21
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guru267
#99 Posted : Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:28:42 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
Applause Applause Applause
The questions I've been silently asking, eloquently addressed.


You are perfect evidence of what emotions can do to someones intelligence in terms of serious damage!

Your envy for Islam has led you seek the view of an ex terrorist to soothe your ego!

Its even sad to watch how you delude yourself using any possible tool!

Why can't you worship your men, women, statues and crosses in peace because no one has forced you to join Islam!

Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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kysse
#100 Posted : Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:18:52 PM
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guru267 wrote:

I really do not what to respond to this!
Asking a child of a Hamas terrorist General about Islam is like asking the child of a General in the Lord's Resistance Army about Christianity... Liar Shame on you Liar Sad d'oh! Liar Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Liar Shame on you Liar



But Guru,he's trying to bring out the truth which most muslims know lil abt.
Quote:
He graduated from the Islamic Sharia law and is very familiar with the language of Islam more any other muslim.
He came from a household that started the islamic sunist revolution in the entire middle east area!!His father was early leader of Islamic brotherhood.
Islam has been his project since childhood,so he has the right to question that journey. jeez who would dismiss him?


Anyway,The difference between muslim and christian radicals is this;
The bible doesn't instruct us to go round killing and slaying non -christians. We are commanded to win them over with kindness,love and the word, not by the sword chibok style..

Christian extremists(we call them cults)who commit such acts await judgement from God, NOT rewards.
We never come to the defence of christian cults and try to explain or justify their evil using the bible as a basis because they are simply cults full of ignorant and brainwashed followers.

Please note that your interpretation of scriptures to justify bible killings is often out of context),but I can't blame you.

Koran on the other hand instructs and commands muslims to kill,abduct and kidnapp non-muslims.
Terror is permitted by the god of islam and mohammed who lived to obey the commands to the letter.The verse is quoted in the first video.

Now we shouldn't blame makaburis and other terrorists because they studied the koran very very well.
See why muslims find it difficult to condemn terrorists? cz the koran permits it and they know it.

So what to do as a muslim? look for scapegoats- Terrorism is a USA creation/KDF is to blame/Operation eastleigh bla bla bla.
For goodness sake it's the book and it's prophet.

My prayer and wish is for peace loving people not to delve deep into it.

adios.
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