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CBK reduces CBR rate
Bashka
#1 Posted : Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:15:00 PM
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Today CBR revised down to 7.0 percent from 7.75 percent. This is a good move but will the commercial banks follow suit?. I think this will ease credit in the economy. CBR is supposed to be the signaling rate........am I right?
kizee
#2 Posted : Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:10:16 AM
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you are rite.. is a a signalling rate...tho banks will not cut rates..the GoK and private sector(kengen and safcom) are competing massively with banks for funds...lending rates will not drop
dolas
#3 Posted : Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:46:10 AM
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Banks as usual will not cut down there lendig rates.they usually set there rates taking many factors into consideration with the CBR being the least important ones.
Scubidu
#4 Posted : Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:00:58 PM
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I think an important question will be the relationship of the rate to inflation. Since they changed the inflation methodology it will be difficult to know how effective it will be in taming inflation (although they insist there's none now), especially when demand-pull factors kick in. They have reduced the CBR rate many times over the last year, pumped in liquidity through omo and reduced the reserve ratio, all in the name of lower the cost of credit and liquidity. Don't see how much more they can do to control banks since the banks don't even need to borrow from them. Watch the public debt figure swell as government spends this economy into growth in 2010.
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VituVingiSana
#5 Posted : Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:29:27 PM
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CBR rate ni bure kabisa...

Banks compete with GoK bonds. Why would a bank lend at less than 15% when it gets 12.57% (exempt from taxes of 30%) from GoK's infrastructure bond?
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Scubidu
#6 Posted : Friday, December 04, 2009 7:03:34 AM
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@VVS What if the government tells you that the real interest rate is higher because of less inflation, would that change the way banks assess lending? But then again investing in government bonds allows the banks to lower loss provisions in their P&L, but the returns on short term government paper are poor (banks are encouraged to invest only in short term paper).

Much like our population, GDP growth, and money supply, the public debt is exponential, (and a prize for anyone who knows why?) so it's in CBK's best interest to keep interest rates low lest the cost of debt service sky-rockets.

And they have the perfect excuse to depress interest rates, which is the new inflation calculation-the same changes implemented in developed markets (such as US in 90s) through the use of flexible inflation methodologies like hedonics (check out this vid http://www.youtube.com/w...uN0&feature=channel by Chris Martenson). But what happens when inflation sets in (will we know no, or will core inflation of 2% look too low for worry). In the year to Sep 2009 bank credit to govt has grown (in value) by 35 bn (26.9% y-o-y), but consumer credit down 3 bn (-6.6% y-o-y), will inflation (demand-pull) climb once banks do what the governor wants, lend to us. When do we see the signal for interest rates to reset higher?

The CBK has not pumped in money through omo over the past three weeks but liquidity is still being targeted (lowering the interbank rate) probably to enable the treasury to finance its borrowing deficit with cheaper funds. The government needs to spend the economy into growth and they may look at the new inflation calculation to overstate economy growth (real GDP).

Interesting article by Mbui Wagacha in jana's BD on public debt.
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#7 Posted : Friday, December 04, 2009 9:14:36 AM
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What if the government tells you that the real interest rate is higher because of less inflation, would that change the way banks assess lending?

Inflation is just one factor. Defaults, Recovery process, Reserve Ratio, etc etc need to be factored in.

Investing in government bonds allows the banks to lower loss provisions in their P&L, but the returns on short term government paper are poor (banks are encouraged to invest only in short term paper)

No loan loss provision required (general or specific) for Treasury Bonds & Bills. I have not come across the "Banks may are encouraged to invest only in short-term paper"... (by whom? where is this info from?) nevertheless, banks are not prohibited from investing in long-term paper as long as they retain the minimum liquidity ratios. And GoK paper is easily used for repos & horizontal repos - the CBK encourages horizontal repos.

Much like our population, GDP growth, and money supply, the public debt is exponential.

Our GDP growth is not exponential... the rest is! I think monetarism makes sense. And when M3 explodes so does the chance of inflation without real economic growth.

It's in CBK's best interest to keep interest rates low lest the cost of debt service sky-rockets.

Then why is CBK/GoK paying 5% above inflation? It only crowds out private sector borrowing

In the year to Sep 2009 bank credit to govt has grown (in value) by 35 bn (26.9% y-o-y), but consumer credit down 3 bn (-6.6% y-o-y), will inflation (demand-pull) climb once banks do what the governor wants, lend to us. When do we see the signal for interest rates to reset higher?

Demand-pull inflation from GoK is more worrisome than private sector. The private sector is a better producer of real goods & services. What is driving money creation in Kenya?

The CBK has not pumped in money through omo over the past three weeks but liquidity is still being targeted.

OMO can be used to increase/lower liquidity in the system but CBK needs not add cash since GoK is doing it from the recent huge bond sales incl KenGen (quasi-government).
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Scubidu
#8 Posted : Friday, December 04, 2009 1:23:26 PM
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What I was saying is that banks make more money from lending, but if govt. artificially lowers the cost of credit, they may take opportunities to arbitrage the yield curve, but would prefer the former especially after being given the signal through the lower CBR rate.

The banking system is fairly liquid already as you alluded too and so the normal and horizontal repo markets have been fairly inactive, so what would taking on more govt paper achieve in the repo mart, but to lower loan provisions (since there are none on T-bill, etc as you mentioned).

The GDP (in value) terms is exponential and that is a more interesting indicator than the rate of change that everyone's used to-that's the relationship I wanted you to see, that's there's the imperative to grow exponentially is there to cover debts created-that's the problem with deficit spending and where the new inflation figure may help. There was emphasis on lowering the reserve ratio & CBR to raise liquidity to prevent a crowding out of the private sector, but due to the above factors you mentioned banks are not utilising these excess reserves.

The governor alluded to seeing no inflation problems, which is why he's comfortable lowering the CBR, but all I was saying is if the credit contraction to consumers reverses then the effects will be more clearly manifested (in the CPI). The government can also spend on private producers just as efficiently as the private sector, if it uses the money well on real goods and services. In fact speculative borrowing from ordinary consumers (Safaricom IPO) be just as damaging. Public debt is driving money creation as govt seeks to balance the budget.

Omo can also be used to enable banks to absorb new govt issues, because all the cash it adds become reserves on which the MM can be applied. That's why if you look between May and September you'll find that omo injections correlate very well with government auctions (especially T-Bond) where there were reserve deficits to be supported (to induce new borrowing-net of redemptions). I appreciate you sharing your expertise VVS.
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#9 Posted : Friday, December 04, 2009 5:35:52 PM
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I don't think Banks can arbitrage the difference between CBR & T-Bills/Bonds or Loans.

The CBR (Central Bank Window or Discount Rate) is a short-term facility designed to cover liquidity shortfalls. At most the CBR provides guidelines for interbank rates
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Apart from CBK frowning on lending to banks for on-lending, there is a maturity mismatch for CBR funds & (most) on-lending.

so what would taking on more govt paper achieve in the repo mart, but to lower loan provisions (since there are none on T-bill, etc as you mentioned).

Gov't paper is bought for its (i) returns (ii) liquidity BUT returns is key not the ability to enter into repos. Most banks do not want to use repos since (normally) the cost > income.

Lending banks prefer Repos since they lower risk of default especially with weaker banks.


The GDP (in value) terms is exponential.


My understanding of exponential refers to geometric not arithmetic growth.

Public debt is driving money creation as govt seeks to balance the budget.

That is what really worries me! We all have to pay the piper


Omo can also be used to enable banks to absorb new govt issues, because all the cash it adds become reserves on which the MM can be applied. That's why if you look between May and September you'll find that omo injections correlate very well with government auctions (especially T-Bond) where there were reserve deficits to be supported (to induce new borrowing-net of redemptions).

This argument either I did not understand... or I disagree with... not sure which is which
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Scubidu
#10 Posted : Saturday, December 05, 2009 1:35:29 PM
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IMHO the CBR is a signaling tool and apart from a few large banks, most don't exploit it. It is through this tool that other crucial rates (savings & interbank) are lowered give the banks the ability to arbitrage the curve. I could be wrong but that's what Ive come to understand. Nway I probably need to ponder on it some more.

So if the real GDP was not exponential, how would we keep up with public debt and money stock that you have indicated is growing exponentially-the interest component on debt alone requires a constant expansion in GDP. Avoiding inflation is done by matching the growth of money stock to the value of goods and services produced in the economy. A common example of these factors not moving proportionally is Zim whose economy declined since 2000, but money supply continued higher. An economic growth rate of 5% per annum doesn't result in the same change in value terms over a five year period, amounts will become increasing bigger as the growth rates are applied on the most recent amount.

I have an two interesting documents that illustrate the function of omo and how they work, if your interested in reading them, just email me at moneyedkenya@gmail.com
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