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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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ecstacy wrote:When we are done venting at 'serikali' for your greed and that of the systemic failures, please have the the same energy to discuss what you actually propose as your role in security matters, other than paying tax( for those who actually do!!), at this rate, that is if you actually think you have any role to play. @Ecstacy, educate us, share with us what your role is on security matters or how you have contributed to securing our country against terrorism other than being a sycophant in the last 24 hours... ok, last one week.... Ok just knock yourself out and make it the last 1 year, or may be your entire life. Let me guess, you got nothing "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/12/2008 Posts: 215
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murchr wrote:guru267 wrote:murchr wrote:That is why if an accident occurs and you are found to have violated any rules, then you are charged with murder or manslaughter. Was this an accident?? I would equate terror to a hijacking.. What rules exactly did they violate being under attack from a foreign army?? Have the forgotten to arrest the owners of Westgate?? The NCCK?? What about affected restaurant and hotel owners?? This was not an accident, a man walked over to the mat and was allowed by the conductor and driver to put a device that would eventually blow up innocent people in their vehicle because they ignored procedure. West gate...the attackers ambushed the mall and took everyone hostage. Just like a bank robber can get into a bank ambushing everyone. The situation is different. There is no foreign army here, the attackers are civilians kwani you equate that rug tug militia to an army? As you give them that much respect? Who are you guru? @murchr.You sound so egocentric, naive and full of hatred. Why should the buck stop with the bus crew and not the police whom we undoubtedly know take bribes to allow smuggling of bombs and terrorists into the country? Do you want to tell us that conductors in Nairobi should be stopping to frisk all passengers that they pick in every bus stop? And don’t you think that these attacks actually present a great danger to bus crews who are also Kenyans with families to take care of. Be serious!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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Rahatupu wrote:
@Alma, IMHO security priority should be:
1. Get a competent, experienced trouble shooter leadership at Interior Ministry. Preferably one with military experience. 2. Revamp our intel outfit by replacing the top guys. Give them execution mandate by arming them and letting them operate like other agencies world wide. 3. Raise operational capacity of security agencies in anti terror response, give priority to pre-emptive action by nipping all known or suspected threats before they happen. Revamp organizational structure and architecture of the security sector as a long term strategy, with key pillars being effective intelligence based policing. 4. Go full throttle for leadership of the enemy, their sympathisers, financiers, operatives, experts, recruiters, redicalizers, spiritual leadership etc. By this I mean neutralize them by whatever means necessary. 5. End reactionary responses including nyumba 10 and usalama and build bridges between communities that agents of terror exploit. Somalis and Muslims must be partners in this endeavour.
This is exactly what we should be discussing, not focusing on blame game. This is not a Jubilee problem, you won't be less affected because you voted CORD.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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ecstacy wrote:When we are done venting at 'serikali' for your greed and that of the systemic failures, please have the the same energy to discuss what you actually propose as your role in security matters, other than paying tax( for those who actually do!!), at this rate, that is if you actually think you have any role to play. I think one of the roles of a government is to receive blame, every government knows that - its good psychologically since it allows individuals to vent their anger and then cool off. The government deserves blame, and by that I mean the current one and the previous ones that have played part in the loopholes that are allowing the terrorists to operate. that said, it's stupid for one to blame the cops who were blown up while escorting the vehicle and the individuals they had arrested at pangani - if only they would make some time to find out the status of the families they have left behind. at the end of the day it does not hurt for one to be vigilant and report suspicious situations to the cops.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:ecstacy wrote:When we are done venting at 'serikali' for your greed and that of the systemic failures, please have the the same energy to discuss what you actually propose as your role in security matters, other than paying tax( for those who actually do!!), at this rate, that is if you actually think you have any role to play. @Ecstacy, educate us, share with us what your role is on security matters or how you have contributed to securing our country against terrorism other than being a sycophant in the last 24 hours... ok, last one week.... Ok just knock yourself out and make it the last 1 year, or may be your entire life. Let me guess, you got nothing You just had to politicize a matter this serious. Have you been reading my posts in full? If I get called "sycophant" for reminding Kenyans who love the blame game that security is ALSO their responsibility, let me be one even in the after life. Meanwhile, I can bet you will still be bitching silly even in the after life. The sun will rise and set regardless.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:ecstacy wrote:When we are done venting at 'serikali' for your greed and that of the systemic failures, please have the the same energy to discuss what you actually propose as your role in security matters, other than paying tax( for those who actually do!!), at this rate, that is if you actually think you have any role to play. @Ecstacy, educate us, share with us what your role is on security matters or how you have contributed to securing our country against terrorism other than being a sycophant in the last 24 hours... ok, last one week.... Ok just knock yourself out and make it the last 1 year, or may be your entire life. Let me guess, you got nothing Probably proposing handbag kumi, mathree kumi, walalo kumi na bloggers kumi. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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nakujua wrote:ecstacy wrote:When we are done venting at 'serikali' for your greed and that of the systemic failures, please have the the same energy to discuss what you actually propose as your role in security matters, other than paying tax( for those who actually do!!), at this rate, that is if you actually think you have any role to play. I think one of the roles of a government is to receive blame, every government knows that - its good psychologically since it allows individuals to vent their anger and then cool off. The government deserves blame, and by that I mean the current one and the previous ones that have played part in the loopholes that are allowing the terrorists to operate. that said, it's stupid for one to blame the cops who were blown up while escorting the vehicle and the individuals they had arrested at pangani - if only they would make some time to find out the status of the families they have left behind. at the end of the day it does not hurt for one to be vigilant and report suspicious situations to the cops. I concur with your sentiments. I pay taxes like all and expect the Kenyan government to protect my right to life, health and movement as enshrined in the constitution. I also acknowledge that I have a responsibility to be my brothers keeper given we are now paying for the sins of the past. It is striking the balance that I note most posters refuse or fail to acknowledge.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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nakujua wrote:ecstacy wrote:When we are done venting at 'serikali' for your greed and that of the systemic failures, please have the the same energy to discuss what you actually propose as your role in security matters, other than paying tax( for those who actually do!!), at this rate, that is if you actually think you have any role to play. I think one of the roles of a government is to receive blame, every government knows that - its good psychologically since it allows individuals to vent their anger and then cool off. The government deserves blame, and by that I mean the current one and the previous ones that have played part in the loopholes that are allowing the terrorists to operate. that said, it's stupid for one to blame the cops who were blown up while escorting the vehicle and the individuals they had arrested at pangani - if only they would make some time to find out the status of the families they have left behind. at the end of the day it does not hurt for one to be vigilant and report suspicious situations to the cops. Totally agree....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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ecstacy wrote:nakujua wrote:ecstacy wrote:When we are done venting at 'serikali' for your greed and that of the systemic failures, please have the the same energy to discuss what you actually propose as your role in security matters, other than paying tax( for those who actually do!!), at this rate, that is if you actually think you have any role to play. I think one of the roles of a government is to receive blame, every government knows that - its good psychologically since it allows individuals to vent their anger and then cool off. The government deserves blame, and by that I mean the current one and the previous ones that have played part in the loopholes that are allowing the terrorists to operate. that said, it's stupid for one to blame the cops who were blown up while escorting the vehicle and the individuals they had arrested at pangani - if only they would make some time to find out the status of the families they have left behind. at the end of the day it does not hurt for one to be vigilant and report suspicious situations to the cops. I concur with your sentiments. I pay taxes like all and expect the Kenyan government to protect my right to life, health and movement as enshrined in the constitution. I also acknowledge that I have a responsibility to be my brothers keeper given we are now paying for the sins of the past. It is striking the balance that I note most posters refuse or fail to acknowledge. I agree. We don't need blame.It doesn't solve anything.We need accountability and its respective partner responsibility.
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