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@alma come here  Take a deep breath and think deeply  hii wikileaks yako  do you honestly believe it was penned by a mzungu diplomat or done by one disgruntled half of the grand collision gaarment? Even the English Yawa, the venom against these people says it all. The tone betrays the Authors. Where have I heard those arguements before this one even Bunge la Wananchi outside City Hall cannot accept  "😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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Siringi wrote:@alma come here Take a deep breath and think deeply hii wikileaks yako do you honestly believe it was penned by a mzungu diplomat or done by one disgruntled half of the grand collision gaarment? Even the English Yawa, the venom against these people says it all. The tone betrays the Authors. Where have I heard those arguements before this one even Bunge la Wananchi outside City Hall cannot accept Wewe Siringi, kama una shida na wikileaks apana uliza Alma. I did not write that. I posted a link to wiki leaks. You can take your arguments to them. Don't you find it funny that a Kenyan who lives in a country where the police cannot trace a common criminal can start doubting a report that even the American gov't has not debated authenticity, people have gone to jail for and the American gov't apologised for? Lakini since you know a lot more on what bunge la wananchi can accept or not, please forgive me. All I did was post a link. Go ask the American gov't about the quality of the English written by the fellow who brought wikileaks. Eish. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Kratos wrote:LOL Alma just because you have been called out for decieving instead of a proper reply you resort to fallacies.
Moving on swiftly
Other than discussing the 5W's & 1H (Muriel please google, it helps) and asking ourselves who is a beneficiary of the violence, I think we as Kenyans have the repsonsibility to collectively ponder on the next cause of action/s. Say there is another planned attack in two days time, what exactly would the government, police and citizen do to prevent it or minimize impact. Actionable items and not things like stopping corruption etc real stuff.
You threw Alma's analysis of 5W's and 1H in the dustbin and now you are asking Muriel to google it? . As a patriot Kratos can you offer your analysis of the 5W and 1H and who is benefiting from terrorism and stop going round in circles? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Siringi wrote:@alma come here Take a deep breath and think deeply hii wikileaks yako do you honestly believe it was penned by a mzungu diplomat
or done by one disgruntled half of the grand collision gaarment?Even the English Yawa, the venom against these people says it all. The tone betrays the Authors. Where have I heard those arguements before this one even Bunge la Wananchi outside City Hall cannot accept @Siringi, There is ignorance lakini hii yako sijui tuite nini? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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Muriel wrote:Kratos wrote:LOL Alma just because you have been called out for decieving instead of a proper reply you resort to fallacies.
Moving on swiftly
Other than discussing the 5W's & 1H (Muriel please google, it helps) and asking ourselves who is a beneficiary of the violence, I think we as Kenyans have the repsonsibility to collectively ponder on the next cause of action/s. Say there is another planned attack in two days time, what exactly would the government, police and citizen do to prevent it or minimize impact. Actionable items and not things like stopping corruption etc real stuff.
Kratos, please do not take offense. I am only going with the information you put here or is there any reason why I should not trust you about it? What other discussion about 5W and 1H is there when I am just trying to discuss what you on your own volition broached? Was it an erroneous point that you now want to hurriedly discard it? Why are you running away from it? Siringi thought it was an excellent point. Don't you think it is? Before moving on swiftly Kratos, because you, Kratos, suggested the 5W and 1H you should take the lead and tell what you think they are, e.g. what is causing the attacks, so what is it causing the attacks? In your opinion, when facing a crisis the first thing is not to first look on someone to blame but rather identify the 5W's & H. (Who, What, When,Where, Why & How). I hear Murchr also amesema yake so you also sema yako, put your input here, bwana, don't be shy about it. No offence taken and no harm done. Let me give it a try 1. Who is responsible for the attacks: Prime suspects are Alshabaab. But lack of claims for responsibility for the attacks is suspicious since terror groups love to bask in the glory of accomplished attacks. Thats why I pose the adage "if in doubt follow the money". 2. What is causing the attacks: Our presence in Somalia? Maybe. What if Kenyans have found a way of finishing off business rivals that would deflect suspicion, it has happened before in one of the attacks? We also recently discovered oil. Does it come into play seeing that most African countries with such resources are prone to war?3. When did they start: Terror attacks in Kenya are not synonymous with alshabs. They were there circa 1997 and 2002. But the recent escalation cannot be explained other than by Alshabaab but interestingly KDF don’t seem to have escalated if anything their absorption into AMISOM seems to suggest they are part of a wider force4. Where is it happening: Interestingly as well, its always either Nairobi and its environs , North eastern and Coast.. Why not Eldoret or Kisumu, why not Kiambu5. Why is it happening: Poor anti-terrorism laws where suspects are released back to the populace. Lack of terror training on part of police. Unclear government action and communication as regards what they are doing to fight back6. How are the attacks being carried out: Transport system, recreational establishments and churches. Why these ones?
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Swenani wrote:Kratos wrote:LOL Alma just because you have been called out for decieving instead of a proper reply you resort to fallacies.
Moving on swiftly
Other than discussing the 5W's & 1H (Muriel please google, it helps) and asking ourselves who is a beneficiary of the violence, I think we as Kenyans have the repsonsibility to collectively ponder on the next cause of action/s. Say there is another planned attack in two days time, what exactly would the government, police and citizen do to prevent it or minimize impact. Actionable items and not things like stopping corruption etc real stuff.
You threw Alma's analysis of 5W's and 1H in the dustbin and now you are asking Muriel to google it? . As a patriot Kratos can you offer your analysis of the 5W and 1H and who is benefiting from terrorism and stop going round in circles? @ Swenani, relax i had gone for lunch! check my analysis hapo juu sasa, please give your input.
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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More bla bla blaming other people apart from yourselves. Did someone state that today business was as usual in the morning. Really wazuans. Kwani this attacks are rocket science? Are they so hard to decipher? Read this: 3 days ago - At least a dozen people killed in attack on outskirts of Abuja, close to site ... A blast on the outskirts of Nigeria's capital Abuja 1 day ago A car bomb attack has killed at least 19 people and injured 60 more in the Nigerian capital Abuja. Twin blasts at a bus station packed with morning commuters on the outskirts of Nigeria's capital killed dozens of people on April 14. Clearly there's some copy cat mentality going on. Doesn't that inform every stakeholder incl the public to be vigilant? Really do we want the police everywhere? We need to use our brains people we should not just exist and expect everyone else to do everything for us including thinking "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Kratos wrote:Muriel wrote:Kratos wrote:LOL Alma just because you have been called out for decieving instead of a proper reply you resort to fallacies.
Moving on swiftly
Other than discussing the 5W's & 1H (Muriel please google, it helps) and asking ourselves who is a beneficiary of the violence, I think we as Kenyans have the repsonsibility to collectively ponder on the next cause of action/s. Say there is another planned attack in two days time, what exactly would the government, police and citizen do to prevent it or minimize impact. Actionable items and not things like stopping corruption etc real stuff.
Kratos, please do not take offense. I am only going with the information you put here or is there any reason why I should not trust you about it? What other discussion about 5W and 1H is there when I am just trying to discuss what you on your own volition broached? Was it an erroneous point that you now want to hurriedly discard it? Why are you running away from it? Siringi thought it was an excellent point. Don't you think it is? Before moving on swiftly Kratos, because you, Kratos, suggested the 5W and 1H you should take the lead and tell what you think they are, e.g. what is causing the attacks, so what is it causing the attacks? In your opinion, when facing a crisis the first thing is not to first look on someone to blame but rather identify the 5W's & H. (Who, What, When,Where, Why & How). I hear Murchr also amesema yake so you also sema yako, put your input here, bwana, don't be shy about it. No offence taken and no harm done. Let me give it a try 1. Who is responsible for the attacks: Prime suspects are Alshabaab. But lack of claims for responsibility for the attacks is suspicious since terror groups love to bask in the glory of accomplished attacks. Thats why I pose the adage "if in doubt follow the money". 2. What is causing the attacks: Our presence in Somalia? Maybe. What if Kenyans have found a way of finishing off business rivals that would deflect suspicion, it has happened before in one of the attacks? We also recently discovered oil. Does it come into play seeing that most African countries with such resources are prone to war?3. When did they start: Terror attacks in Kenya are not synonymous with alshabs. They were there circa 1997 and 2002. But the recent escalation cannot be explained other than by Alshabaab but interestingly KDF don’t seem to have escalated if anything their absorption into AMISOM seems to suggest they are part of a wider force4. Where is it happening: Interestingly as well, its always either Nairobi and its environs , North eastern and Coast.. Why not Eldoret or Kisumu, why not Kiambu5. Why is it happening: Poor anti-terrorism laws where suspects are released back to the populace. Lack of terror training on part of police. Unclear government action and communication as regards what they are doing to fight back6. How are the attacks being carried out: Transport system, recreational establishments and churches. Why these ones? So you are saying: (Point out to me where I may have misquoted and added my own words) Who is responsible for the attacks: Al shabab - Prime suspect What is causing the attacks: 'Our presence' in Somalia - KDF When did they start: from 1997 / 2002 Where is it happening: Nairobi & environs, North Eastern & Coast Why is it happening: poor laws, lack of terror training, unclear govt action and communication How are the attacks being carried out: Transport system, recreation establishments and churches Kratos wrote:
Exaclty my point, Kenyans waache ujuaji, this thing might not be what we think it is. We are busy blaming police and the government while what we actually need to do is step back and think about it for a minute.
So what was that about the police and government again? By your above points, now you see wewe pia ni mjuaji. Hata bunge la wananchi watakuambia. Pointing out to the poor laws, unclear govt action and communication, ,,,,,,, al shabab ,,,,,,,,,,other people ,,,,,, Remember the minute. Should it not be over by now? It should be over by now. Murchr is now saying its not rocket science and its not hard to decipher.
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Muriel wrote:Kratos wrote:Muriel wrote:Kratos wrote:LOL Alma just because you have been called out for decieving instead of a proper reply you resort to fallacies.
Moving on swiftly
Other than discussing the 5W's & 1H (Muriel please google, it helps) and asking ourselves who is a beneficiary of the violence, I think we as Kenyans have the repsonsibility to collectively ponder on the next cause of action/s. Say there is another planned attack in two days time, what exactly would the government, police and citizen do to prevent it or minimize impact. Actionable items and not things like stopping corruption etc real stuff.
Kratos, please do not take offense. I am only going with the information you put here or is there any reason why I should not trust you about it? What other discussion about 5W and 1H is there when I am just trying to discuss what you on your own volition broached? Was it an erroneous point that you now want to hurriedly discard it? Why are you running away from it? Siringi thought it was an excellent point. Don't you think it is? Before moving on swiftly Kratos, because you, Kratos, suggested the 5W and 1H you should take the lead and tell what you think they are, e.g. what is causing the attacks, so what is it causing the attacks? In your opinion, when facing a crisis the first thing is not to first look on someone to blame but rather identify the 5W's & H. (Who, What, When,Where, Why & How). I hear Murchr also amesema yake so you also sema yako, put your input here, bwana, don't be shy about it. No offence taken and no harm done. Let me give it a try 1. Who is responsible for the attacks: Prime suspects are Alshabaab. But lack of claims for responsibility for the attacks is suspicious since terror groups love to bask in the glory of accomplished attacks. Thats why I pose the adage "if in doubt follow the money". 2. What is causing the attacks: Our presence in Somalia? Maybe. What if Kenyans have found a way of finishing off business rivals that would deflect suspicion, it has happened before in one of the attacks? We also recently discovered oil. Does it come into play seeing that most African countries with such resources are prone to war?3. When did they start: Terror attacks in Kenya are not synonymous with alshabs. They were there circa 1997 and 2002. But the recent escalation cannot be explained other than by Alshabaab but interestingly KDF don’t seem to have escalated if anything their absorption into AMISOM seems to suggest they are part of a wider force4. Where is it happening: Interestingly as well, its always either Nairobi and its environs , North eastern and Coast.. Why not Eldoret or Kisumu, why not Kiambu5. Why is it happening: Poor anti-terrorism laws where suspects are released back to the populace. Lack of terror training on part of police. Unclear government action and communication as regards what they are doing to fight back6. How are the attacks being carried out: Transport system, recreational establishments and churches. Why these ones? So you are saying: (Point out to me where I may have misquoted and added my own words) Who is responsible for the attacks: Al shabab - Prime suspect What is causing the attacks: 'Our presence' in Somalia - KDF When did they start: from 1997 / 2002 Where is it happening: Nairobi & environs, North Eastern & Coast Why is it happening: poor laws, lack of terror training, unclear govt action and communication How are the attacks being carried out: Transport system, recreation establishments and churches Kratos wrote:
Exaclty my point, Kenyans waache ujuaji, this thing might not be what we think it is. We are busy blaming police and the government while what we actually need to do is step back and think about it for a minute.
So what was that about the police and government again? By your above points, now you see wewe pia ni mjuaji. Hata bunge la wananchi watakuambia. Pointing out to the poor laws, unclear govt action and communication, ,,,,,,, al shabab ,,,,,,,,,,other people ,,,,,, Remember the minute. Should it not be over by now? It should be over by now. Murchr is now saying its not rocket science and its not hard to decipher. Amazing how you only pick a a few of the explanations that suit you. If you read (please do) you will see i have given two or three opposing ideas on what could be happening ama thats hard for you to comprehend? "give me a minute or take a minute" are figures of speech I think if you want a philosophical answer the best person to engage with is Tycho, I dont do those ones.
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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