Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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quite sad! but people should not stop innovating and trying out things just because they may die. it's really a risk driving to work - you may die from very many many causes but we still do it. i know that analogy is a bit off but i hope you get the 'spirit' of the message. it's this fear that has kept africans from the sea and the air - we need to master these elements! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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masukuma wrote:quite sad! but people should not stop innovating and trying out things just because they may die. it's really a risk driving to work - you may die from very many many causes but we still do it. i know that analogy is a bit off but i hope you get the 'spirit' of the message. it's this fear that has kept africans from the sea and the air - we need to master these elements! I would not call this innovation. It's a cessna for crying out loud. It probably belonged to a museum somewhere but he decided to 'experiment' anyway pole Kwak na familia yake. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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the plane would only be profitable in extremely busy routes probably china. this is one reason the Concorde had to go too. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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harrydre wrote:masukuma wrote:quite sad! but people should not stop innovating and trying out things just because they may die. it's really a risk driving to work - you may die from very many many causes but we still do it. i know that analogy is a bit off but i hope you get the 'spirit' of the message. it's this fear that has kept africans from the sea and the air - we need to master these elements! I would not call this innovation. It's a cessna for crying out loud. It probably belonged to a museum somewhere but he decided to 'experiment' anyway pole Kwak na familia yake. yes - 'you'! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Follow KQ's 2nd 777-300ER flight track number 5Y-KZY Here - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/5YKZY
It left Seattle, WA over 5hrs ago and has 9 more to go. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@muchr can you shade some light on how the airlines make their money. You see one the documentary mentioned that the plane took off with 60 tonnes of fuel. Can you estate this, given the prevailing rate of gasoline, the food, the drinks, the pilot/crew pay prorated to day, the airport net-off, wear & tear, return on investment on plane purchase price etc
Take a typical Boen and estimate average one-way ticket price. What is their make?
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2010 Posts: 495 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:@muchr can you shade some light on how the airlines make their money. You see one the documentary mentioned that the plane took off with 60 tonnes of fuel. Can you estate this, given the prevailing rate of gasoline, the food, the drinks, the pilot/crew pay prorated to day, the airport net-off, wear & tear, return on investment on plane purchase price etc
Take a typical Boen and estimate average one-way ticket price. What is their make? Very difficult question to answer as the arilines keep this information top secret. One of the best airline websites (www.airliners.net) has many discussions on this issue. Quote:It's simple enough to figure out some things like crew costs and landing fees, but calculating fuel costs, factoring in leasing and insurance costs, ground handling costs, taxes, gate leases, maintenance costs, and so on, makes providing a number exceedingly difficult to impossible. A lot of the costs involved are not made publicly available by the airlines. You'd have to know the costs involved before figuring out a break-even load factor or average ticket price, which is made even more difficult because you have to factor in other forms of revenue like cargo.
People ask very similar questions on here all the time and almost never get much of an answer. You might get an idea of what you're looking for, but you might want to lower your expectations. SourceSent from my Black Nokia 3310
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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One more fanboy. And here's how my love for aviation finds expression. Try it, you will not regret.  Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Ash Ock wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@muchr can you shade some light on how the airlines make their money. You see one the documentary mentioned that the plane took off with 60 tonnes of fuel. Can you estate this, given the prevailing rate of gasoline, the food, the drinks, the pilot/crew pay prorated to day, the airport net-off, wear & tear, return on investment on plane purchase price etc
Take a typical Boen and estimate average one-way ticket price. What is their make? Very difficult question to answer as the arilines keep this information top secret. One of the best airline websites (www.airliners.net) has many discussions on this issue. Quote:It's simple enough to figure out some things like crew costs and landing fees, but calculating fuel costs, factoring in leasing and insurance costs, ground handling costs, taxes, gate leases, maintenance costs, and so on, makes providing a number exceedingly difficult to impossible. A lot of the costs involved are not made publicly available by the airlines. You'd have to know the costs involved before figuring out a break-even load factor or average ticket price, which is made even more difficult because you have to factor in other forms of revenue like cargo.
People ask very similar questions on here all the time and almost never get much of an answer. You might get an idea of what you're looking for, but you might want to lower your expectations. Source @Ash Ock has tried to answer you. These hidden costs* are the reason why MDs have to make sure the planes are in the air through out. A plane parked somewhere is not profitable at all. Again, its important to ply routes where you are guaranteed to have passengers. Eg for KQ the china route-Guangzhou- Bangkok-Nrb-Lagos is the best. Africans are going to China in droves and the Chinese middle class is now wealthy and is willing to spend on travel. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/18/2008 Posts: 353
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 Watu wanajichocha na dreamliner! Any wazuan on onboard?
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