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[quote=MKWASI]??? May God rescue his soul. [/quote Can you believe in God without going through any religion.? Sometimes I get confused by these religions I always believe in doing good and believing in God but I do not trust these religions. We need to separate God from religion If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Way to go folks work to prosper
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Swenani wrote:MKWASI wrote:???
May God rescue his soul. Can you believe in God without going through any religion. Sometimes I get confused by these religions I always believe in doing good and believing in God but I do not trust these religions. We need to separate God from religion @swenani for you to get clear perspective about this, you need a logically proof about the hearafter or life after death. Some people ask this question saying "you are learned person, how do you believe in this blind belief, which science has not proved it?" They say oh why don't we have a universal religion, the New World Order. I wonder who will be the leader of this new religion. The Pope? GW Bush? Or who? Who will control what is right and what is wrong? I can tell you this: life after death is not just a blind belief, it is a logical belief.
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I've always wondered why "we" look down on traditional African religion when the comparatives are equally suspect..
Why does it make sense to you for Christ to be born of a virgin, Jonah to be somehow successfully breathing inside the "big fish" for days on end but it's funny when a Kikuyu mzee says the first man strolled down Mt Kenya with daughters in tow or the even more interesting one..Maasai's and that exploding knee version for the beginning of life.
They are all "illogical" in equal measure.
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Swenani wrote:MKWASI wrote:???
May God rescue his soul.
Can you believe in God without going through any religion.? Sometimes I get confused by these religions I always believe in doing good and believing in God but I do not trust these religions. We need to separate God from religion What i can tell you for free is that religion is a MEGA FRAUD! On doing good, THAT'S THE WAY TO GO MAN! You don't need to do good because of a reward, or, do we? (be it with virgins or never ending joy). Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:MKWASI wrote:???
May God rescue his soul. Can you believe in God without going through any religion. Sometimes I get confused by these religions I always believe in doing good and believing in God but I do not trust these religions. We need to separate God from religion @swenani for you to get clear perspective about this, you need a logically proof about the hearafter or life after death. Some people ask this question saying "you are learned person, how do you believe in this blind belief, which science has not proved it?" They say oh why don't we have a universal religion, the New World Order. I wonder who will be the leader of this new religion. The Pope? GW Bush? Or who? Who will control what is right and what is wrong? I can tell you this: life after death is not just a blind belief, it is a logical belief. @Alphadoti, I do not dispute the existence of God, am not just comfortable with the current religions even though I sometimes go to church; I feel they are fraudsters If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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The debate is whether you believe in God (whoever you perceive Him to be) or whether you do not believe in God
It is not about Churches/Mosque/Pastors/Imams/Going to Church or Mosque!!
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Swenani wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:MKWASI wrote:???
May God rescue his soul. Can you believe in God without going through any religion. Sometimes I get confused by these religions I always believe in doing good and believing in God but I do not trust these religions. We need to separate God from religion @swenani for you to get clear perspective about this, you need a logically proof about the hearafter or life after death. Some people ask this question saying "you are learned person, how do you believe in this blind belief, which science has not proved it?" They say oh why don't we have a universal religion, the New World Order. I wonder who will be the leader of this new religion. The Pope? GW Bush? Or who? Who will control what is right and what is wrong? I can tell you this: life after death is not just a blind belief, it is a logical belief. @Alphadoti, I do not dispute the existence of God, am not just comfortable with the current religions even though I sometimes go to church; I feel they are fraudsters Tuko wengi hapa, i believe there is God but Religion is the biggest lie ever told!. What makes the current religion unique from african traditional religions? How is jesus or mohamed more unique than the african prophets? (i know mugo in kikuyu), or is it about who was fast to propagate their propaganda in the name,this is the truth and way of life?
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ecstacy wrote:I've always wondered why "we" look down on traditional African religion when the comparatives are equally suspect..
Why does it make sense to you for Christ to be born of a virgin, Jonah to be somehow successfully breathing inside the "big fish" for days on end but it's funny when a Kikuyu mzee says the first man strolled down Mt Kenya with daughters in tow or the even more interesting one..Maasai's and that exploding knee version for the beginning of life.
They are all "illogical" in equal measure.
Now i can see people are starting to ask the hard questions. Way to go people. RELIGION IS A FALSEHOOD! Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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This is no rocket science. Most people begin noticing the inconsistencies in Secondary school. If one summons their logical side! Dunia ni msongamano..
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wilyum wrote:Swenani wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:MKWASI wrote:???
May God rescue his soul. Can you believe in God without going through any religion. Sometimes I get confused by these religions I always believe in doing good and believing in God but I do not trust these religions. We need to separate God from religion @swenani for you to get clear perspective about this, you need a logically proof about the hearafter or life after death. ...I can tell you this: life after death is not just a blind belief, it is a logical belief. @Alphadoti, I do not dispute the existence of God, am not just comfortable with the current religions even though I sometimes go to church; I feel they are fraudsters Tuko wengi hapa, i believe there is God but Religion is the biggest lie ever told!. ...this is the truth and way of life? @swenani, @wilyum, @mkwasi since there is no doubt that this universe was designed, by a creator, by a designer, this creator is called God, this God has a name in Arabic called Allah. Since you believe there is a creator, the only thing now is which of the many religions is truth. Since you people intelligent, all you have to look now is what makes sense. If some teachings are not scientifically correct, that immediately is a red flag. The illogical teachings are from the fraudsters.
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@Swenani, quite understandable. In my view more insight than the cynicism in aethism.
irreligion broadly,
an indifference towards religion
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AlphDoti wrote:wilyum wrote:Swenani wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:MKWASI wrote:???
May God rescue his soul. Can you believe in God without going through any religion. Sometimes I get confused by these religions I always believe in doing good and believing in God but I do not trust these religions. We need to separate God from religion @swenani for you to get clear perspective about this, you need a logically proof about the hearafter or life after death. ...I can tell you this: life after death is not just a blind belief, it is a logical belief. @Alphadoti, I do not dispute the existence of God, am not just comfortable with the current religions even though I sometimes go to church; I feel they are fraudsters Tuko wengi hapa, i believe there is God but Religion is the biggest lie ever told!. ...this is the truth and way of life? @swenani, @wilyum, @mkwasi since there is no doubt that this universe was designed, by a creator, by a designer, this creator is called God, this God has a name in Arabic called Allah. Since you believe there is a creator, the only thing now is which of the many religions is truth. Since you people intelligent, all you have to look now is what makes sense. If some teachings are not scientifically correct, that immediately is a red flag. The illogical teachings are from the fraudsters. @Alphadoti, Do you know that science in itself is a religion? Science is evidence based while religion is faith based. Bottom line is that Have faith in power that is greater than you (God/Allah) and believe in things that make sense and doesn't oppress others. On a different note, I was having a conversation with an atheist friend of mine who dismissed my faith in God by saying that "Faith is the fear of the unknown" If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Katt Williams On Athiests Simplicity is the utmost sophistication.
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Atheism can only be embraced by faith, not science.
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Mtu Biz wrote:
Atheism can only be embraced by faith, not science.
I think so too.But the atheist(one) i know claims that atheist is based on knowledge/evidence/science and not faith. Where is hamburglar? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Swenani wrote:@Alphadoti, Do you know that science in itself is a religion?
Science is evidence based while religion is faith based.
Bottom line is that Have faith in power that is greater than you (God/Allah) and believe in things that make sense and doesn't oppress others. @swenani it's you yourself who mentioned that there are fraudulent people. How can you again comfortably settle on faith alone? If the same faith is not scientific, how can you say this bottomline? You need to make sure that faith is logical. Otherwise, if it is illogical, then it is fraudulent. True faith cannot be unscientific and it cannot be illogical.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mtu Biz wrote:
Atheism can only be embraced by faith, not science.
@mtu biz you cannot convince an atheist that he should only have faith. This is someone who has been thinking. This is someone who has been using his brain. He has seen illogical information, inaccurate stuff. He is not emotional. An atheist has refused to belief that a creator can walk on the earth and you can hear his footsteps, and this creator cannot be able to see his creation hiding in a bush. He refuses to belief that Creator can have a wife, can have sex, and bear (beget) a child!
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:@Alphadoti, Do you know that science in itself is a religion?
Science is evidence based while religion is faith based.
Bottom line is that Have faith in power that is greater than you (God/Allah) and believe in things that make sense and doesn't oppress others. @swenani it's you yourself who mentioned that there are fraudulent people. How can you again comfortably settle on faith alone? If the same faith is not scientific, how can you say this bottomline? You need to make sure that faith is logical. Otherwise, if it is illogical, then it is fraudulent. True faith cannot be unscientific and it cannot be illogical. @Alphadoti, Fraudsters dont rely on science but Faith True faith in God is based on reasoning and not science or logical. @Alphadoti Do you believe in the science evolution(big bang theory) or the creation of universe?(Please use faith,science and logical to justify you answer) Now if you were to reason do you still believe in your theory? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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