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Plan to Censure PM
Ngalaka
#11 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:34:17 AM
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@DonBen

I hear you brother.
However we need to be a little more discerning, candid and dispassionate when dealing with any of these politicians who are wont at (mis)using us for their parochial political schemes.

My point was and still is - in dealing with Kimunya Raila was dishonest.
As you put it, Kimunya was roasted not because of his actions regarding the Grand Regency saga, but because of politics - issues of fish market mumbo jumbo. Pity is, that is not what was on the parliaments order paper for which Kimunya was to be judged upon!!!!
When Rutos motion was on the floor, Raila conveniently stayed out of parliament.
Ruto himself decried Railas lack of support then on this matter.
Raising isues of hidden hand working to divide ODM is a tired cliche.
ODM is disintegrating out of inernal 'hard-love' - which predates Mau issue. It must sound sweet to blame every body else but self.

Did I hear you try to white wash the maize scandal by Ruto on the one hand and Raila on the other!!
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Ondiek
#12 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:34:52 AM
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At this rate we should not even consider a parliamenatry system of Governace as the MPs will simply misuse it to set political scores rather than for the good of the country.
Jaina
#13 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:15:32 PM
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Regardless of what RAO has done in the past, we should support what he is doing at the present. Kibaki should also declare publicly his support for the PM. The next thing they should just reshuffle the cabinet and give Ruto Envioroment Docket. Better still kick him out of cabinet all together.

At some point, we will need Development minded dictator to lead us. This democracy thing doesnt seem to be working.
B.Timer
#14 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:30:41 PM
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@Mcreggae
The accord was signed by President Kibaki for the Government of Kenya and Raila for ODM.
Anything else is stretching the truth.
@Ondiek
Couldn’t agree more. MPs are guns for hire. Can’t trust them beyond a certain extend.
@Jaina
I am cautiously ok with the benevolent dictator bit.
But about blinding ourselves to Raila past stand points on issues is as insincere as it is contradictory.
Dunia ni msongamano..
McReggae
#15 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:25:07 PM
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B. Timer,
Man the agreement was never between ODM and GoK......it was between the two principals, if you one for ODM and the other for PNU then I might be tempted to agree, as it stands who is the ODM leader???.....these Mpigs should therefore change the leadership of ODM first!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
B.Timer
#16 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:43:03 PM
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@Mcreggae

Just get a copy of the accord and look at it Mzee.
Forget the Rv MPs their agenda is different.
Dunia ni msongamano..
FundamentAli
#17 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:59:16 PM
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Kibe Muigai yesterday said the National accord is between ODM and PNU and not the principals. He said the parliament can get another PMpig if it passes a vote of no confidence on him by a simple majority as spelt out in the accord. How true is this? Does this give Arap Milosevic a chance to PMpig?
B.Timer
#18 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:37:51 PM
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@Fundamentali
Of course the premier position is not for Raila the person. It is for the ODM party leader. The current party leader is Raila. If Raila were to lose the censure motion - a long shot anyway - it would be incumbent on ODM to give us a name for their party leader to take up the role.
Raila would not let Ruto get any where near the position. May be the beneficiary here would be Mudavadi.
But then all this is mere wishful thinking.
Dunia ni msongamano..
kinkos
#19 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2009 3:05:07 PM
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Rutto and his team of crooks will hit a dead end by Friday.What is ROA for...sack all of them and give the benderas to the following:

Musa Sirma-Agriculture
Langat Margarer-Roads
Hassan Ali Joho-Tourism
Some Mohammed (they are many)-Ministry of North Eastern Affairs


Uhuru Kenyatta should apologies to Kenyans...His late father owns land equivalent to Nyanza Province.He was the originator of squatter problems in this country.It is time they gave up some or all the chunks they hold and stop their silly manouvers.


nostoppingthis
#20 Posted : Tuesday, December 01, 2009 3:24:28 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
@DonBen

I hear you brother.
However we need to be a little more discerning, candid and dispassionate when dealing with any of these politicians who are wont at (mis)using us for their parochial political schemes.

My point was and still is - in dealing with Kimunya Raila was dishonest.
As you put it, Kimunya was roasted not because of his actions regarding the Grand Regency saga, but because of politics - issues of fish market mumbo jumbo. Pity is, that is not what was on the parliaments order paper for which Kimunya was to be judged upon!!!!
When Rutos motion was on the floor, Raila conveniently stayed out of parliament.
Ruto himself decried Railas lack of support then on this matter.
Raising isues of hidden hand working to divide ODM is a tired cliche.
ODM is disintegrating out of inernal 'hard-love' - which predates Mau issue. It must sound sweet to blame every body else but self.

Did I hear you try to white wash the maize scandal by Ruto on the one hand and Raila on the other!!


@ Ngalaka...You seem like a very bitter individual towards RAO. Its all in the way youo'd like to see it, but saving Mau is the ultimate price here
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