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Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:Gathige wrote:In India, an IT superhouse, it take 5 weeks for elections to be conducted. We wanted ours all done in ONE day and any dispute resolved in 14 days! Kenya should perfect its self acclaimed voting systems like mlolongo and kula ya makelele and forget IT based voting. Hi maneno ya MySQL, Linux bra bra bra we leave to akina @masukuma and let wanjiku achape mlolongo ama apige kelele kwa uchaguzi. @Gathige, Thats is a very ignorant comment you have made.You cannot compare India to Kenya.You can only compare Kenya to Odisha state in India which is the 11th biggest state in India by population of aprox. 41M. In India; 1.Different states in India vote on different days(which is spread over a month) 2.The population of India is 1.2 billion with registered voters of 814 Million what needs to happen is that we need to break the election cycle into two. an executive's cycle and a representative cycle (or any other combination) that results in us having 3 elections every 2.5 years. this will ensure that politically we don't get useless people based on party and for the EMB we have time to continuously prepare, refine, test, refine, test procedures over and over and over! Totally agree.But some people say it is the cost consideration that makes it economically sound to hold six elections in one day. Democracy is not cheap.Look at our bloated devolved govt. Having the elections in kenya after every 2.5 years here in Kenya  will be a disaster Makales both for economic and political stability.Just imagine one year down the line we are still talking about the 2013 elections To me we should lengthen the term to say eight years. Candidates complain the first two after an election then they start campaigning in the third year. This makes the country to be on a campaign mode through out. Elections are not an exact science the world over. We should aim at improving from one election after another.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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MKWASI wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:Gathige wrote:In India, an IT superhouse, it take 5 weeks for elections to be conducted. We wanted ours all done in ONE day and any dispute resolved in 14 days! Kenya should perfect its self acclaimed voting systems like mlolongo and kula ya makelele and forget IT based voting. Hi maneno ya MySQL, Linux bra bra bra we leave to akina @masukuma and let wanjiku achape mlolongo ama apige kelele kwa uchaguzi. @Gathige, Thats is a very ignorant comment you have made.You cannot compare India to Kenya.You can only compare Kenya to Odisha state in India which is the 11th biggest state in India by population of aprox. 41M. In India; 1.Different states in India vote on different days(which is spread over a month) 2.The population of India is 1.2 billion with registered voters of 814 Million what needs to happen is that we need to break the election cycle into two. an executive's cycle and a representative cycle (or any other combination) that results in us having 3 elections every 2.5 years. this will ensure that politically we don't get useless people based on party and for the EMB we have time to continuously prepare, refine, test, refine, test procedures over and over and over! Totally agree.But some people say it is the cost consideration that makes it economically sound to hold six elections in one day. Democracy is not cheap.Look at our bloated devolved govt. Having the elections in kenya after every 2.5 years here in Kenya will be a disaster Makales both for economic and political stability.Just imagine one year down the line we are still talking about the 2013 elections To me we should lengthen the term to say eight years. Candidates complain the first two after an election then they start campaigning in the third year. This makes the country to be on a campaign mode through out. Elections are not an exact science the world over. We should aim at improving from one election after another. My idea in kenya is to have a rotational presidency among the kenyan tribes in kenya. If it's the turn of ogieks to rule; then only ogieks are allowed to vote in that election If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Swenani wrote:MKWASI wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:Gathige wrote:In India, an IT superhouse, it take 5 weeks for elections to be conducted. We wanted ours all done in ONE day and any dispute resolved in 14 days! Kenya should perfect its self acclaimed voting systems like mlolongo and kula ya makelele and forget IT based voting. Hi maneno ya MySQL, Linux bra bra bra we leave to akina @masukuma and let wanjiku achape mlolongo ama apige kelele kwa uchaguzi. @Gathige, Thats is a very ignorant comment you have made.You cannot compare India to Kenya.You can only compare Kenya to Odisha state in India which is the 11th biggest state in India by population of aprox. 41M. In India; 1.Different states in India vote on different days(which is spread over a month) 2.The population of India is 1.2 billion with registered voters of 814 Million what needs to happen is that we need to break the election cycle into two. an executive's cycle and a representative cycle (or any other combination) that results in us having 3 elections every 2.5 years. this will ensure that politically we don't get useless people based on party and for the EMB we have time to continuously prepare, refine, test, refine, test procedures over and over and over! Totally agree.But some people say it is the cost consideration that makes it economically sound to hold six elections in one day. Democracy is not cheap.Look at our bloated devolved govt. Having the elections in kenya after every 2.5 years here in Kenya will be a disaster Makales both for economic and political stability.Just imagine one year down the line we are still talking about the 2013 elections To me we should lengthen the term to say eight years. Candidates complain the first two after an election then they start campaigning in the third year. This makes the country to be on a campaign mode through out. Elections are not an exact science the world over. We should aim at improving from one election after another. My idea in kenya is to have a rotational presidency among the kenyan tribes in kenya. If it's the turn of ogieks to rule; then only ogieks are allowed to vote in that election that is not a president! that is a system that reverses all efforts that have been made towards nation building! the Ogiek can have their own president if it's a president they want - the concept of democracy that we have now is a MAJORITY HAVE THEIR WAY, MINORITY HAVE THEIR SAY. as opposed to MAJORITY HAVE THEIR TURN which is just the same term as that of minorities! Just thinking aloud! Can all the noise made by losers asking for IEBC's disbandment be considered 'political interference?' - coz it is! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:MKWASI wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:Gathige wrote:In India, an IT superhouse, it take 5 weeks for elections to be conducted. We wanted ours all done in ONE day and any dispute resolved in 14 days! Kenya should perfect its self acclaimed voting systems like mlolongo and kula ya makelele and forget IT based voting. Hi maneno ya MySQL, Linux bra bra bra we leave to akina @masukuma and let wanjiku achape mlolongo ama apige kelele kwa uchaguzi. @Gathige, Thats is a very ignorant comment you have made.You cannot compare India to Kenya.You can only compare Kenya to Odisha state in India which is the 11th biggest state in India by population of aprox. 41M. In India; 1.Different states in India vote on different days(which is spread over a month) 2.The population of India is 1.2 billion with registered voters of 814 Million what needs to happen is that we need to break the election cycle into two. an executive's cycle and a representative cycle (or any other combination) that results in us having 3 elections every 2.5 years. this will ensure that politically we don't get useless people based on party and for the EMB we have time to continuously prepare, refine, test, refine, test procedures over and over and over! Totally agree.But some people say it is the cost consideration that makes it economically sound to hold six elections in one day. Democracy is not cheap.Look at our bloated devolved govt. Having the elections in kenya after every 2.5 years here in Kenya will be a disaster Makales both for economic and political stability.Just imagine one year down the line we are still talking about the 2013 elections To me we should lengthen the term to say eight years. Candidates complain the first two after an election then they start campaigning in the third year. This makes the country to be on a campaign mode through out. Elections are not an exact science the world over. We should aim at improving from one election after another. My idea in kenya is to have a rotational presidency among the kenyan tribes in kenya. If it's the turn of ogieks to rule; then only ogieks are allowed to vote in that election that is not a president! that is a system that reverses all efforts that have been made towards nation building! the Ogiek can have their own president if it's a president they want - the concept of democracy that we have now is a MAJORITY HAVE THEIR WAY, MINORITY HAVE THEIR SAY. as opposed to MAJORITY HAVE THEIR TURN which is just the same term as that of minorities! Just thinking aloud! Can all the noise made by losers asking for IEBC's disbandment be considered 'political interference?' - coz it is! Makales, Thats is double speak, we cannot have democracy and at the same time label voices of minority as political interference. As a growing democracy we are bound to encounter shortcomings by our EMB and complaints by those who lost in elections. If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder You have been a member since:: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:MKWASI wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:Gathige wrote:In India, an IT superhouse, it take 5 weeks for elections to be conducted. We wanted ours all done in ONE day and any dispute resolved in 14 days! Kenya should perfect its self acclaimed voting systems like mlolongo and kula ya makelele and forget IT based voting. Hi maneno ya MySQL, Linux bra bra bra we leave to akina @masukuma and let wanjiku achape mlolongo ama apige kelele kwa uchaguzi. @Gathige, Thats is a very ignorant comment you have made.You cannot compare India to Kenya.You can only compare Kenya to Odisha state in India which is the 11th biggest state in India by population of aprox. 41M. In India; 1.Different states in India vote on different days(which is spread over a month) 2.The population of India is 1.2 billion with registered voters of 814 Million what needs to happen is that we need to break the election cycle into two. an executive's cycle and a representative cycle (or any other combination) that results in us having 3 elections every 2.5 years. this will ensure that politically we don't get useless people based on party and for the EMB we have time to continuously prepare, refine, test, refine, test procedures over and over and over! Totally agree.But some people say it is the cost consideration that makes it economically sound to hold six elections in one day. Democracy is not cheap.Look at our bloated devolved govt. Having the elections in kenya after every 2.5 years here in Kenya will be a disaster Makales both for economic and political stability.Just imagine one year down the line we are still talking about the 2013 elections To me we should lengthen the term to say eight years. Candidates complain the first two after an election then they start campaigning in the third year. This makes the country to be on a campaign mode through out. Elections are not an exact science the world over. We should aim at improving from one election after another. My idea in kenya is to have a rotational presidency among the kenyan tribes in kenya. If it's the turn of ogieks to rule; then only ogieks are allowed to vote in that election that is not a president! that is a system that reverses all efforts that have been made towards nation building! the Ogiek can have their own president if it's a president they want - the concept of democracy that we have now is a MAJORITY HAVE THEIR WAY, MINORITY HAVE THEIR SAY. as opposed to MAJORITY HAVE THEIR TURN which is just the same term as that of minorities! Just thinking aloud! Can all the noise made by losers asking for IEBC's disbandment be considered 'political interference?' - coz it is! Makales, Thats is double speak, we cannot have democracy and at the same time label voices of minority as political interference. As a growing democracy we are bound to encounter shortcomings by our EMB and complaints by those who lost in elections. please note that the following terms are related but not synonymous 1. Democracy 2. Freedom 3. Modernity 4. Rule of Law I am all for complete and utter democracy and un negotiated rule of law, freedoms can be limited, Modernity is not necessarily achieved by 1 and 2. What while minorities (CORD) have 2 to ask for IEBC to be disbanded they are doing is against 4! and i have 2 to point it out! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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@makales have you considered that maybe cord considers what Jubilee and IEBC are doing to be against the rule of law by not agreeing for IEBC to be disbanded. I think we should agree and appreciate the shortcomings of IEBC and try to work on them rather than calling for its disbandment or claiming that cord are against the rule of law which is a cultivation of dictatorship. If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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MKWASI wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:Swenani wrote:Gathige wrote:In India, an IT superhouse, it take 5 weeks for elections to be conducted. We wanted ours all done in ONE day and any dispute resolved in 14 days! Kenya should perfect its self acclaimed voting systems like mlolongo and kula ya makelele and forget IT based voting. Hi maneno ya MySQL, Linux bra bra bra we leave to akina @masukuma and let wanjiku achape mlolongo ama apige kelele kwa uchaguzi. @Gathige, Thats is a very ignorant comment you have made.You cannot compare India to Kenya.You can only compare Kenya to Odisha state in India which is the 11th biggest state in India by population of aprox. 41M. In India; 1.Different states in India vote on different days(which is spread over a month) 2.The population of India is 1.2 billion with registered voters of 814 Million what needs to happen is that we need to break the election cycle into two. an executive's cycle and a representative cycle (or any other combination) that results in us having 3 elections every 2.5 years. this will ensure that politically we don't get useless people based on party and for the EMB we have time to continuously prepare, refine, test, refine, test procedures over and over and over! Totally agree.But some people say it is the cost consideration that makes it economically sound to hold six elections in one day. Democracy is not cheap.Look at our bloated devolved govt. Having the elections in kenya after every 2.5 years here in Kenya will be a disaster Makales both for economic and political stability.Just imagine one year down the line we are still talking about the 2013 elections To me we should lengthen the term to say eight years. Candidates complain the first two after an election then they start campaigning in the third year. This makes the country to be on a campaign mode through out. Elections are not an exact science the world over. We should aim at improving from one election after another. @MKWASI, How do we improve if after every election some participants wants the electoral body disbanded before the next election? "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder You have been a member since:: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:@makales have you considered that maybe cord considers what Jubilee and IEBC are doing to be against the rule of law by not agreeing for IEBC to be disbanded.
I think we should agree and appreciate the shortcomings of IEBC and try to work on them rather than calling for its disbandment or claiming that cord are against the rule of law which is a cultivation of dictatorship. the rule of law is on the laws in place - IEBC, JSC, PSC, SRC and any other ***C is not just disbanded because there is a procedure to be followed where you target individuals not the whole ***C! the secretariat cannot be disbanded in the same way ECK was thrown out! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Calvin Ogalo the guy who talks about the fibre optic link and the server hosting (kencall) in the shadows, had his home raided today and arrested. His computers were also confiscated.
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