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New entrants in the Telco Industry
MKWASI
#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 8:42:21 AM
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The new entrants Equity Bank and Zioncell Kenya, will they revolutionalise this industry?

My thinking has always been that Mpesa is 'pure theft'. My believe is founded on, Mpesa was supposed to assist mainly the unbanked population, small traders etc A small trader, for example a shop owner gets 50 cents profit or 1Ksh for each item sold. To send Ksh 5,000 in Mpesa would cost the trader ksh 33 and the other trader will use Ksh 66 to withdraw. Thus the trader will have to sell 33 items and the other trader 66 items to be able to make a single mpesa transaction of Ksh 5000. Won't this impoverish the traders more?

I may be wrong, the tariff should be extremely low for it to achieve the initial intended objective.

I hope the new entrants will make this facility cheaper for the unbanked population.
limanika
#2 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:45:24 AM
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I have always looked forward to the day someone will step in, n give this industry a real human face. I sincrely hope it works this time round
mlennyma
#3 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 11:07:22 AM
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If you think dr.mwangi is asleep,wait and see how mpesa will be shaken.
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mlennyma
#4 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 11:17:26 AM
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I guess equity's major target was mobile money to put all profit in one pocket and they have thousands of agents to form a rollout base.
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limanika
#5 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 11:38:18 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
I guess equity's major target was mobile money to put all profit in one pocket and they have thousands of agents to form a rollout base.

Also to put a stop to mpesa draining deposits held in EB. You will rarely need to withdraw from yr EB account to do mobile money transaction. They will have acess to more money in deposit accounts for long-term, to do more profitable biz - loans @ low interest rates. It I hope they also get into voice and data as cheap 'add-on' services
mlennyma
#6 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:10:55 PM
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I foresee a tight race,because equity is more friendly to the masses than safcom,many use safcom services complaining for lack of another option.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:06:25 PM
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MKWASI wrote:
The new entrants Equity Bank and Zioncell Kenya, will they revolutionalise this industry?

My thinking has always been that Mpesa is 'pure theft'. My believe is founded on, Mpesa was supposed to assist mainly the unbanked population, small traders etc A small trader, for example a shop owner gets 50 cents profit or 1Ksh for each item sold. To send Ksh 5,000 in Mpesa would cost the trader ksh 33 and the other trader will use Ksh 66 to withdraw. Thus the trader will have to sell 33 items and the other trader 66 items to be able to make a single mpesa transaction of Ksh 5000. Won't this impoverish the traders more?

I may be wrong, the tariff should be extremely low for it to achieve the initial intended objective.

I hope the new entrants will make this facility cheaper for the unbanked population.

Price undercutting only works until a certain threshold is reached. The target gives up superprofits, and the instigator will want to make some money as well. There is money to be recouped as investing in telco infrastructure is hugely expensive. This is where Yu and Airtel lost the plot, they slit their own throats with an untested too cheap high volume model. A subscriber who is not covering your cost and giving something small on top is worthless and as a business you shouldn't chase after their custom.
It will be a duopoly, the relief to customers will only be slight.
Chaka
#8 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 2:25:00 PM
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Can someone here tell me how many telcos we have in
say Nigeria,India,China and Brazil?
MKWASI
#9 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:28:06 PM
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quicksand wrote:
MKWASI wrote:
The new entrants Equity Bank and Zioncell Kenya, will they revolutionalise this industry?

My thinking has always been that Mpesa is 'pure theft'. My believe is founded on, Mpesa was supposed to assist mainly the unbanked population, small traders etc A small trader, for example a shop owner gets 50 cents profit or 1Ksh for each item sold. To send Ksh 5,000 in Mpesa would cost the trader ksh 33 and the other trader will use Ksh 66 to withdraw. Thus the trader will have to sell 33 items and the other trader 66 items to be able to make a single mpesa transaction of Ksh 5000. Won't this impoverish the traders more?

I may be wrong, the tariff should be extremely low for it to achieve the initial intended objective.

I hope the new entrants will make this facility cheaper for the unbanked population.

Price undercutting only works until a certain threshold is reached. The target gives up superprofits, and the instigator will want to make some money as well. There is money to be recouped as investing in telco infrastructure is hugely expensive. This is where Yu and Airtel lost the plot, they slit their own throats with an untested too cheap high volume model. A subscriber who is not covering your cost and giving something small on top is worthless and as a business you shouldn't chase after their custom.
It will be a duopoly, the relief to customers will only be slight.


To some extent yes but not entirely. I do not think Safaricom ( I may be wrong) is doing the same. Theirs is not about cost and something small on top. Check their Financials on Mpesa segment.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:32:46 PM
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MKWASI wrote:
The new entrants Equity Bank and Zioncell Kenya, will they revolutionalise this industry?

My thinking has always been that Mpesa is 'pure theft'. My believe is founded on, Mpesa was supposed to assist mainly the unbanked population, small traders etc A small trader, for example a shop owner gets 50 cents profit or 1Ksh for each item sold. To send Ksh 5,000 in Mpesa would cost the trader ksh 33 and the other trader will use Ksh 66 to withdraw. Thus the trader will have to sell 33 items and the other trader 66 items to be able to make a single mpesa transaction of Ksh 5000. Won't this impoverish the traders more?

I may be wrong, the tariff should be extremely low for it to achieve the initial intended objective.

I hope the new entrants will make this facility cheaper for the unbanked population.



Unfortunately, I view these new licenses as speculation by some fat cats in the same way connected people allocated themselves oil blocks and sold them on to the real prospectors.

I am not seeing any of these companies as serious investors in mobile services. In the case of Equity, CBK should already be worried about creating the kind of monopoly that Safaricom has become to the CCK. An uncontrollable monster that you cant regulate and punish without hurting the economy.

Rankaz13
#11 Posted : Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:04:14 AM
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MKWASI wrote:
The new entrants Equity Bank and Zioncell Kenya, will they revolutionalise this industry?

My thinking has always been that Mpesa is 'pure theft'. My believe is founded on, Mpesa was supposed to assist mainly the unbanked population, small traders etc A small trader, for example a shop owner gets 50 cents profit or 1Ksh for each item sold. To send Ksh 5,000 in Mpesa would cost the trader ksh 33 and the other trader will use Ksh 66 to withdraw. Thus the trader will have to sell 33 items and the other trader 66 items to be able to make a single mpesa transaction of Ksh 5000. Won't this impoverish the traders more?

I may be wrong, the tariff should be extremely low for it to achieve the initial intended objective.

I hope the new entrants will make this facility cheaper for the unbanked population.


You forget one critical element that also goes into the transaction costing: commissions for the agents.

Reality is, if the service becomes too cheap, commissions/margins for the agents become squeezed and operations become unattractive. It then becomes very difficult to recruit new agents and retain existing ones. Incidentally, these aren't my words but those of an industry insider.

Apparently, this is the problem that has bedevilled Airtel's money transfer service. It's cheaper tha mpesa, yes. But where are the agents?
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:54:15 AM
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Rankaz13 wrote:
MKWASI wrote:
The new entrants Equity Bank and Zioncell Kenya, will they revolutionalise this industry?

My thinking has always been that Mpesa is 'pure theft'. My believe is founded on, Mpesa was supposed to assist mainly the unbanked population, small traders etc A small trader, for example a shop owner gets 50 cents profit or 1Ksh for each item sold. To send Ksh 5,000 in Mpesa would cost the trader ksh 33 and the other trader will use Ksh 66 to withdraw. Thus the trader will have to sell 33 items and the other trader 66 items to be able to make a single mpesa transaction of Ksh 5000. Won't this impoverish the traders more?

I may be wrong, the tariff should be extremely low for it to achieve the initial intended objective.

I hope the new entrants will make this facility cheaper for the unbanked population.


You forget one critical element that also goes into the transaction costing: commissions for the agents.

Reality is, if the service becomes too cheap, commissions/margins for the agents become squeezed and operations become unattractive. It then becomes very difficult to recruit new agents and retain existing ones. Incidentally, these aren't my words but those of an industry insider.

Apparently, this is the problem that has bedevilled Airtel's money transfer service. It's cheaper tha mpesa, yes. But where are the agents?


An mpesa agent doing about 80 transactions per day makes about 25-30k per month in commissions. Deduct the minimum wage for 1 employee (13k) and minimum rent for a stand alone mpesa shop (15k) and u realise majority of these agencies from a purely business perspective do not make economic/business sense. The Equity and KCB agencies are even worse averaging less than 20k for most agents.

Based on this, its hard to see how the likes of Equity can undercut mpesa by lowering commissions which would also reduce the already meagre agents commissions.

Happy hunting.
Sasha
#13 Posted : Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:14:46 AM
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There are already alternatives to Mpesa. Most banks now have billers on their mobile banking platforms. You now don't need to move money from your account to Mpesa (which will cost you about Kshs 60), the pay a biller through their paybill which will cost you another Kshs 33 - 105 depending on what you are paying for.

Most pay tv and utility companies have already integrated to banks and they offer account to account transfers at minimal cost to you. SCB, I&M, Barclays, BOA, Ecobank, NIC among others have this!
berns
#14 Posted : Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:16:09 AM
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@stockmaster anyone doing a stand-alone Mpesa or Equity agency is also economically daft. Most have a supporting business in the same rental space to subsidize rent n infact dont hire staff for the Mpesa function.
MKWASI
#15 Posted : Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:19:58 PM
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berns wrote:
@stockmaster anyone doing a stand-alone Mpesa or Equity agency is also economically daft. Most have a supporting business in the same rental space to subsidize rent n infact dont hire staff for the Mpesa function.


This should have been the model. There should be no standalone agents. The agents should be existing businesses, thus mobile transfer business just one of their income source among other sources.

@stockmaster currently you find numerous agents in one location,It does not make business sense.
MKWASI
#16 Posted : Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:24:27 PM
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Rankaz13 wrote:
MKWASI wrote:
The new entrants Equity Bank and Zioncell Kenya, will they revolutionalise this industry?

My thinking has always been that Mpesa is 'pure theft'. My believe is founded on, Mpesa was supposed to assist mainly the unbanked population, small traders etc A small trader, for example a shop owner gets 50 cents profit or 1Ksh for each item sold. To send Ksh 5,000 in Mpesa would cost the trader ksh 33 and the other trader will use Ksh 66 to withdraw. Thus the trader will have to sell 33 items and the other trader 66 items to be able to make a single mpesa transaction of Ksh 5000. Won't this impoverish the traders more?

I may be wrong, the tariff should be extremely low for it to achieve the initial intended objective.

I hope the new entrants will make this facility cheaper for the unbanked population.


You forget one critical element that also goes into the transaction costing: commissions for the agents.

Reality is, if the service becomes too cheap, commissions/margins for the agents become squeezed and operations become unattractive. It then becomes very difficult to recruit new agents and retain existing ones. Incidentally, these aren't my words but those of an industry insider.

Apparently, this is the problem that has bedevilled Airtel's money transfer service. It's cheaper tha mpesa, yes. But where are the agents?


Airtel money transfer problem has more to do with the first mover advantages enjoyed by Safaricom. I do not think it is the agents. To have agents you must have customers. Airtel does not have the numbers hence the agents are not able to sustain themselves. My take is that it has nothing to do with the how cheap or expensive the platform is.
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