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Dear Terrorists, animals are doing better than you. Grow up!
AlphDoti
#31 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2014 6:22:42 PM
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Coolbull wrote:
@Alpha. Where did Islam and Muslims come in? Who is mocking who?

My post and reply to you are very straight forward with no reference to Islam or Muslims.

I think you just want to argue and argue. That's not a positive thing.

@coolbull you didn't see posts from #8 to #18 to #22? You didn't see what people resorted into? Go read and see if I'm the one who brought those "terms" first. I have no issue if things are discussed objectively. You started this thread and I'm sure you didn't expect this to turn out like this. Maybe you should have chosen your words better.
muganda
#32 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2014 6:38:05 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Coolbull wrote:
@Alpha. Where did Islam and Muslims come in? Who is mocking who?

My post and reply to you are very straight forward with no reference to Islam or Muslims.

I think you just want to argue and argue. That's not a positive thing.

@coolbull you didn't see posts from #8 to #18 to #22? You didn't see what people resorted into? Go read and see if I'm the one who brought those "terms" first. I have no issue if things are discussed objectively. You started this thread and I'm sure you didn't expect this to turn out like this. Maybe you should have chosen your words better.


@AlphDoti I empathise, @mawinder's intentions were mischevious.

• But I have been outraged by Catholic Church, when their religion seemed to sweep molesting of boys under the carpet.
• Or by Anglican Church, when their religion seemed to force gay ministers down African throats.
• Or by megachurches that have preached a prosperity gospel, or African churches that have made followers eat grass etc.

Are you able to share my outrage with Islam, when some mosques seem to encourage slaughter of innocent people in the name of jihad?


In all these cases, the Religion had to accept some responsibility to begin addressing the issue. And in the same light, understand those who condemned them.

Even Rwanda recently prevented France from attending genocide services because they seemed not to take any responsibility for their role in the genocide http://www.aljazeera.com/news/a...y-20144742041393330.html


guru267
#33 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2014 6:40:19 PM
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@mawinder since in your opinion all terrorists must be Muslims does that mean you do not consider Mungiki as a terrorist organization??
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
quicksand
#34 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2014 6:45:19 PM
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guru267 wrote:
@mawinder since in your opinion all terrorists must be Muslims does that mean you do not consider Mungiki as a terrorist organization??

Mungiki is a criminal organization. Terrorists usually have some political or religious ideology which they use as an excuse for their actions; Mungiki extorted people and killed those who resisted. Very distinct difference.
guru267
#35 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2014 6:50:40 PM
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@AlphDoti do not bother defending Islam to the Mushriks... They will never understand unless Allah (swt) guides them!

The religious ignorance among some in this world is so high..
Most of them don't even know their Bible they hold soo high was compiled by a Roman pagan 300 years after Jesus (as).

I wonder how many of them even know Jesus (as) in the Bible called God "Alah"! Sad

Let them mock... let them ridicule... Allah (swt) will show them himself on Qiyamah what they mocked and ridiculed!!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#36 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2014 7:02:17 PM
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quicksand wrote:
guru267 wrote:
@mawinder since in your opinion all terrorists must be Muslims does that mean you do not consider Mungiki as a terrorist organization??

Mungiki is a criminal organization. Terrorists usually have some political or religious ideology which they use as an excuse for their actions; Mungiki extorted people and killed those who resisted. Very distinct difference.


You see @Alph... Even though Mungiki TERRORIZED our communities with behadings they are not terrorists...

According to the Mushriks TERROR=ISLAM

We should just conclude from the uneducated response from @quicksand that the fitnah against Islam predicted by the prophet is here...

Prepare yourself adequately... The time for closing masjids and banning the qur'an is upon us! Sad
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
AlphDoti
#37 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2014 7:04:24 PM
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quicksand wrote:
guru267 wrote:
@mawinder since in your opinion all terrorists must be Muslims does that mean you do not consider Mungiki as a terrorist organization??

Mungiki is a criminal organization. Terrorists usually have some political or religious ideology which they use as an excuse for their actions; Mungiki extorted people and killed those who resisted. Very distinct difference.

@quicksand you were already asked to give us the definition of "terrorism". Let us see that and we compare to what you have explained. Let us be fair in the dialogue.
Lolest!
#38 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2014 7:04:25 PM
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guru267 wrote:
@AlphDoti do not bother defending Islam to the Mushriks... They will never understand unless Allah (swt) guides them!

The religious ignorance among some in this world is so high..
Most of them don't even know their Bible they hold soo high was compiled by a Roman pagan 300 years after Jesus (as).

I wonder how many of them even know Jesus (as) in the Bible called God "Alah"! Sad

Let them mock... let them ridicule... Allah (swt) will show them himself on Qiyamah what they mocked and ridiculed!!

before we meet Wala, all of us mushiris will have been blasted to death by those boys you guys are funding and defending
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
AlphDoti
#39 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2014 7:07:29 PM
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@muganda, you have pointed out very important cases. I respect you for being objective.

However, when you say religion has to accept responsibility, aren't you being too assumptive?
Do me a favour so that we can put this straight: who was the lone assailant who carried out the Likoni shooting? Do you know him? Do the police know him? Do I know him? Why the assumption? Who do you want to take responsibility?

You realize nobody knows the assailant. Similarly to the Eastleigh bomb attack last week.

Now about your last comment, Muslim leaders have come out and hold meetings and condemn this attacks. They have appealed to all youth to shun any kind of unlawfulness. All the time they do this, but the media choose not to report. I said last week that even if I give you exact dates, you'll turn around and say "Oh they were planning this or that, they were not up to no good".

Similarly, I already responded about these acts. I don't support any act of terror regardless who it is. I have been consistent in my responses that as far as terrorism is concerned, it is wrong 1001x and it should be fought, in the right manner! But what do Wazuans do? They spin it around.
Njung'e
#40 Posted : Tuesday, April 08, 2014 7:09:54 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
guru267 wrote:


Let them mock... let them ridicule... Allah (swt) will show them himself on Qiyamah what they mocked and ridiculed!!

before we meet Wala, all of us mushiris will have been blasted to death by those boys you guys are funding and defending


Let's agree.They have monopoly to kill....that god of theirs must have given them a contract to kill innocent people in exchange of virgins....bure kabisa!
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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