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Lessons from Rwanda: rethinking the genocide
Cammarada
#11 Posted : Monday, April 07, 2014 12:30:30 PM
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@tycho power was one of the variables but not the only variable. If you manage to visit the many museums (esp in Kigali). You will appreciate how religion/beliefs, deprivation or limited access to information were the key factors.
On lessons, I bet Kenya like experiencing things first hand. We aren't so far away from that taking into account distribution of the national cake.
McReggae
#12 Posted : Monday, April 07, 2014 12:31:49 PM
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freiks wrote:
The only thing I always ask is why do they insist its genocide against Tutsi and yet am sure it was two pronged. They better repackage it as against Rwandese


The Hutus systematically armed themselves to finish off the Tutsis!!!!
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tycho
#13 Posted : Monday, April 07, 2014 1:41:43 PM
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Cammarada wrote:
@tycho power was one of the variables but not the only variable. If you manage to visit the many museums (esp in Kigali). You will appreciate how religion/beliefs, deprivation or limited access to information were the key factors.
On lessons, I bet Kenya like experiencing things first hand. We aren't so far away from that taking into account distribution of the national cake.


I agree that religious belief and knowledge and it's distribution were factors, perhaps key factors. This is because they are part of the power structure. Withholding or 'rationing' information and knowledge is one way of withholding and redistributing power. So is religion a means of wielding power.
tycho
#14 Posted : Monday, April 07, 2014 1:49:08 PM
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Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:

Genocide.

It was an event past hence I doubt if it can be 're-thought'. There is nothing much to be 're-done'. Indeed it was about how power was (is) acquired, distributed and safeguarded. Who is this seeking for power?


I see genocide like tides in the ocean of a world order. They come and go. Hence thought and rethought is possible and necessary. First to know how far off the shore we should be, and then how to harness this tidal power.

Every human is seeking power.


20 years later, with the old world order gone, its demise prompted by the Rwanda Genocide, genocide still occurs.

To what purpose then is the world order? What promise does it hold that there will be no more genocide?



Your first paragraph is 'enigmatic'. But true in our context. The old world order is phasing out.

In the new world order we should look forward to swords becoming ploughs.




How can swords become ploughs when harnessing the tidal powers of genocide is a means to achieving the new world order? If it was achieved through genocide, it will be maintained through genocide.


Perhaps there's nothing more misunderstood than the new world order. The new world order isn't simply a consequence of harnessing the waves. The case is that the tides will be tamed because of the new world order.

The new world order is premised on light and conscience.
tycho
#15 Posted : Monday, April 07, 2014 1:55:10 PM
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freiks wrote:
The only thing I always ask is why do they insist its genocide against Tutsi and yet am sure it was two pronged. They better repackage it as against Rwandese


That's too difficult for the present leadership to do. How can the Tutsis who ran away during the 'revolution' start thinking wholistically? Or those who survived the genocide? It's like there's little space for such reorientation. Realpolitic is grinding at a fast rate.
kripp
#16 Posted : Saturday, April 12, 2014 4:29:57 PM
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sparkly
#17 Posted : Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:18:36 AM
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freiks wrote:
The only thing I always ask is why do they insist its genocide against Tutsi and yet am sure it was two pronged. They better repackage it as against Rwandese


Very true. Rwanda was at war between the RPF and the FDLR regime of that time. President JH's plane was shot down from RPF controlled zone using an American made missile.

When Kagame rolled from the North and East, RPF slaughtered Hutus and took their land and livestock. In the West and South the depleted Hutu regime and militias slaughtered Tutsis who could not make it to RPF controlled zones.

The world knows that RPF saved Rwanda from the Genocide but never asks who caused the Genocide in the first place.

It is such a pity that Rwandan civilians were slaughtered by one side desparate to hold on to power and another side willing to do anything to grab power.
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bkismat
#18 Posted : Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:40:33 AM
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What is a tribe? People who speak one language. The Hutus and Tutsis speak one language. Are these two countries a case where the haves and have-nots were classed into 2 different 'tribes'?
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Shak
#19 Posted : Sunday, April 13, 2014 6:34:02 PM
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bkismat wrote:
What is a tribe? People who speak one language. The Hutus and Tutsis speak one language. Are these two countries a case where the haves and have-nots were classed into 2 different 'tribes'?

the two tribes were a creation of the colonial masters. They favoured the ones with caucasian features or longer noses calling them Tutsi.
alma
#20 Posted : Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:14:37 PM
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When a man says that its ok for his political enemies to be shot, you should never believe a word that comes out of him.

That article sounds like it was written by Masukuma. But he's always confused. So on one hand he'll tell us the west is bad, but on the other he'll tell us Kagame and Museveni are angels.

To me, it is because of those two that we have Matsanga in Kenya. For that, I will never listen to them.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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