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Wendz
#231 Posted : Thursday, April 03, 2014 4:46:29 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Alba wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Alba wrote:
First off Kenya is not hindering them from having an islamic state. They are free to have one if they so choose.
I cannot and refuse to argue with the ignorant! Shame on you
Just admit you have been cornered and have no more arguments.
Let me help you and the other ignorant with the correct sequence of events! 1. Somalia sets up Sharia law 2. USA sends Ethiopia and Uganda to invade and crush the Sharia 3. Al Shabaab gains prominence 4. Kenya refuses to get involved 5. T[color=red]ourists and aid workers get kidnapped[/color] 6. Kenya blames Al Shabaab 7. Al Shabaab denies the accusations 8. Kenya invades Somalia 9. Hundreds of Kenyans dying as a result of the invasion! Someone here asked why Kenya does not invade Ethiopia with all the killings in Turkana and Moyale.?? Ignorance is a disease!!
Where? In KENYA. If these goons kept their kidnappings in their own country, we have no business with them.... why couldn't they wait for the aid workers and tourists in Somalia to kidnap them there? The moment you terrorize anyone on my ground, you sure have crossed the line. It's simple logic! If you come to my house and start clobbering my guest, you think i will hand you a cup of tea and toast? What thinking is that?
mkeiy
#232 Posted : Thursday, April 03, 2014 4:50:09 PM
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guru267 wrote:
mkeiy wrote:
@guru, If you believe in what you've been spewing all day, please grab your bui bui and head to the kitchen, where according to that belief,women belong.
IGNORANCE GALORE!! Its better for a fool to keep quiet rather than remove all doubt of his stupidity! Do you know the difference between religion and culture.?? If a nyeri kikuyu Christian beats her husband will we blame culture or religion?? Did you know that Islam was the first religion with women's rights?? Did you know three quarters of new reverts to Islam are women?? Who is more empowered?? A woman who sits in front of the mirror trying to look beautiful to impress a bunch men or a woman who knows her beauty is only for God??
Indulge me miss know-it-all. I see you omitted the other parts to pick the bui bui part. Last i checked,Moslem women wear bui bui. So spare me the culture talk. Respond to the other parts quoted below. @guru, Terrorism is terrorism, whether its Al Qaeda , Al Shabaab, Mujahedeen etc etc. They have been attacking Kenya even before we set feet in Somalia. How was Somalia when they had Sharia law? How was Afghanistan in the days of Taliban? Who is fighting who and for what in Iraq? Are you saying a few radicalized Moslems should be let to rule over the masses using Sharia? How many girls [innocent Moslems] are burned using acid for going to school in the name of Sharia law? @guru, If you believe in what you've been spewing all day, please grab your bui bui and head to the kitchen, where according to that belief,women belong. No movies ,no football, no music, no going anywhere without a male relative etc. Otherwise spare us the hypocrisy. If you care to answer the above, tell me how you can spew all day about Sharia law/states, the sort of states/sharia that won't allow kids to go to school, no music , no sports etc. While you are using Western technology and education? Don't just say IGNORANCE, pick it out. You seem to be rejoicing in the acts of Al Shabaab, i think only a mad man/woman is capable of doing that.
Wendz
#233 Posted : Thursday, April 03, 2014 4:54:26 PM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
FOR THOSE WHO ARE GENUINELY WILLING TO BE CORRECTED I'd like to clarify this issue about 72 virgins, which I've clarified this before. There is nothing like this in Islam. I understand the juicy stories the media gives is so enticing. You see, one of the biggest propaganda in this world that has been invented is that of 72 virgins. This has been amplified in the western countries many times that nowadays, many people accept it as fact and truth. No wonder even Wazuans think the same. The media wants people to believe that this is a Muslim's reward for suicide. The Quran and valid authentic Hadiths are very clear about anyone who commits suicide. The way Islam has condemned suicide making as grave sin, then it is unthinkable for its followers to regard sex as a reward if they were to take their lives. Today, the myth of the 72 virgins remains potent ammunition for those who wish to see their point of view prevail against Islam. Entities like the media have twisted this alleged saying to suit their fancies and smear Islam with ridicule and humiliation.
@AlphDoti - you know me, we agree on very many many many many issues so while its not in the Quran or recognised hadiths it's not a creation of 'the west' but rather one 'Abu Umama' who said
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he Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.'
Kweli rongo? and in the same way other wayward sheikhs like akina Makaburi and others have 'interpreted' your scriptures to suit themselves and fuel their cause.
hahahahahahaha.... i couldnt help it. Please allow me to laugh... now i agree with @AlphD, that must be a creation of the West.... it is just hilarious... like reading an extract from "Angela's Ashes". This cant be in the Quran. If it is, please quote the verse. I'd like to read it some more.
AlphDoti
#234 Posted : Thursday, April 03, 2014 5:28:26 PM
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@alma you're an intelligent man. You reason. You read widely. Please your reply was so unlike someone who has read my responses. Please allow me to respond your issue part by part.
alma wrote:
I have tried to help you out alot by asking that religion not be used in this conversation. Yet you bring it back.
From the start, I kept telling everybody to leave religion out of this terror. If you check my posts. Others introduced it and started name calling. I guess you didn't see all that, did you?
alma wrote:
Anyone who has the stupidity in him to throw bombs at children and women...
Look at yourself, someone who is always quick to tell people to be reasonable. Right there you are alleging too. Have I ever supported the lone assailant at the church? Tell me the truth. I condemned the act. I went ahead and asked people not to point fingers. Even yourself you don't know the lone assailant. I don't know. No one is Wazua knows. Just like the way we don't know who killed Makaburi.
alma wrote:
I hate extre-judicial killings. But I hate bomb throwers more.
I hate them too. Every time such things happen, I've condemned it just like everybody else. I never support killing of innocent, it does not matter what the cause is.
alma wrote:
So take Islam out of the equation. For one second please.
Many times something happens, people are so quick to point fingers and spew hatred at some people. You see this. You read it. But you say nothing. When they mock, you say nothing. Your heart is happy when they call me names. For example the Likoni incident, who knows who did the attack? I don't know, you don't know, Wazua don't know. So how did Wazua end up saying Islam is this and that? Yet your heart remained happy and you didn't say anything? Because of this, I cannot stand there and watch people talk lies. Oh virgins, oh Muslims, oh all these people should leave our country... Do you know me? Do you know my grand father? Do you know my roots? Muslims are not foreigners. They are Kenyans. And Muslims are not Somalis. I'm not Somali myself, and I'm Muslim. We have Muslims Kikuyus. We have Muslim Kambas. We have Muslim Luhya, Luos, Maasai, Kalenjins etc So when I clarify, when I tell them this is not good, when I tell them be rational and make everybody a partner in fighting terror, when I say don't condemn whole people because of some who claim to be them, you turn back and say I'm talking religion? What do you want me to do? You want me to leave them spread misconception? Of course I won't. I'll continue to tell truth. It will hurt your heart but that is because you hate it too. I will continue saying police should be thorough in doing investigation. I want to see a peaceful country, just like the way you want.
alma wrote:
No one should be allowed to kill people for religious reasons.
Who killed in the name of religion? Please educate me. And I'll tell you I don't support that. I think you do not ready my posts. Otherwise, you won't accuse me on this one. Have I not elaborated the issue with Media and Islam? The media pick a black-sheep of community and portray that as Muslims. There are black-sheep in Christianity too. There are black-sheep in non-religious people too. I can't support extra-judicial killings. I want the goarment to do proper investigate and execute the perpetrator.
Wendz
#235 Posted : Thursday, April 03, 2014 5:29:24 PM
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guru267 wrote:
SHOCO wrote:
Nations invade nations.Tanzania invaded Uganda.USA invaded and occupied Korea,germany and Japan. None of the citizens fought off the invaders nevertheless the dictactors. Why is it so different in Islamic Nation(s)?
The qur'an tells Muslims to **** any invaders on their lands!
Madam, do you suggest we throw some lethal gas in Darfur or something? Or that is not invasion? So, how did Baby Osinya "invade" Somalia? And what might the good qur'an say of those who shoot defenseless public while shouting "Allah".
dunkang
#236 Posted : Thursday, April 03, 2014 5:47:08 PM
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@Alphdoti, you owe no one an explanation here. Your stand on al-shabaab and terrorism is well known. You are a clean man. The more you try to explain your answers, the more you are misunderstood. This al-shabaab guys are politicians and businessmen (smugglers), nothing to do with religion.
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
masukuma
#237 Posted : Thursday, April 03, 2014 6:50:27 PM
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dunkang wrote:
@Alphdoti, you owe no one an explanation here. Your stand on al-shabaab and terrorism is well known. You are a clean man. The more you try to explain your answers, the more you are misunderstood. This al-shabaab guys are politicians and businessmen (smugglers), nothing to do with religion.
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alma
#238 Posted : Thursday, April 03, 2014 6:58:55 PM
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@Alphdoti Let me explain myself clearly to you. Much of what you say is actually reasonable. But you allow yourself to engage in religious fights with the other guys on the other side. Maybe because you are always on the other side of Mukiri that is why you see the need to support your religion. Fair enough. But you are falling in "their" trap. Let me assure you I find no difference between a Muslim zealot and a Christian zealot. Mko pamoja. That is why you end up always coming back to defend that which does not need to be defended. I have lived in many places and I know not to engage in religious arguments as no one wins. So my advice to you....Avoid being drawn in by some kids on this forum who will taunt you that Islam is bad. Islam is not bad, Christianity is not bad. Only the people who practice these religions are bad. Some throw bombs and others are just plain bigots. The fire in hell will be the same degrees centigrade for both of them.
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Swenani
#239 Posted : Thursday, April 03, 2014 7:05:05 PM
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alma wrote:
@Alphdoti Let me explain myself clearly to you. Much of what you say is actually reasonable. But you allow yourself to engage in religious fights with the other guys on the other side. Maybe because you are always on the other side of Mukiri that is why you see the need to support your religion. Fair enough. But you are falling in "their" trap. Let me assure you I find no difference between a Muslim zealot and a Christian zealot. Mko pamoja. That is why you end up always coming back to defend that which does not need to be defended. I have lived in many places and I know not to engage in religious arguments as no one wins. So my advice to you....Avoid being drawn in by some kids on this forum who will taunt you that Islam is bad. Islam is not bad, Christianity is not bad. Only the people who practice these religions are bad. Some throw bombs and others are just plain bigots. The fire in hell will be the same degrees centigrade for both of them.
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washiku
#240 Posted : Thursday, April 03, 2014 10:10:42 PM
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