Wazua
»
Club SK
»
Life
»
Breaking News!! Makaburi Dead??
Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
|
alma wrote:Alphdoti, I think you are really doing a diservice to Islam when you come here and start preaching about its goodness.
I have tried to help you out alot by asking that religion not be used in this conversation. Yet you bring it back.
There is no one on wazua who is not happy when a terrorist dies. Anyone who has the stupidity in him to throw bombs at children and women deserves what he gets from those who seek retaliation.
If Makaburi was involved in any way shape or form in making young Muslim lads go around throwing bombs at other people ati because of Israel, Somalia or their Afro, then he's lucky I'm not president.
I hate extre-judicial killings.
But I hate bomb throwers more.
So take Islam out of the equation. For one second please.
Just as you hate it when Americans bomb innocent children in Afghanistan or wherever they strike next, Kenyans also hate it when some fellow goes around saying that he'll kill all kafirs.
No one should be allowed to kill people for religious reasons.
That is where you are failing by trying to fight with the other side of the fundamentalist christians who believe if you are not saved, you should also be a kafir.
No killing of innocent people because of your religion. On that one, you can rest assured, if I was implementing the Kenyan security policy, Makaburi would have gone a very very very long time ago.
Unlike the fellows who did this, I would have been more subtle. You would probably have found him at Karumaindo in the bossom of some red eyed, veve smoking prostitute. Just to make a point.  @Alma, what is your favourite drink? You can have three of them at my bill. The whole issue here is not religion. As I mentioned earlier, I have them friends who worship Allah in truth and spirit. I have never heard them supporting terorrists in the name of Allah or the Holy Koran, as it happens here in Wazua. But again, in the teachings of Makaburi and his type, such Muslims are not true muslims because they are "moderate" yet there is nothing like a "moderation" in Islam.
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,883
|
alma wrote:Alphdoti, I think you are really doing a diservice to Islam when you come here and start preaching about its goodness.
I have tried to help you out alot by asking that religion not be used in this conversation. Yet you bring it back.
There is no one on wazua who is not happy when a terrorist dies. Anyone who has the stupidity in him to throw bombs at children and women deserves what he gets from those who seek retaliation.
If Makaburi was involved in any way shape or form in making young Muslim lads go around throwing bombs at other people ati because of Israel, Somalia or their Afro, then he's lucky I'm not president.
I hate extre-judicial killings.
But I hate bomb throwers more.
So take Islam out of the equation. For one second please.
Just as you hate it when Americans bomb innocent children in Afghanistan or wherever they strike next, Kenyans also hate it when some fellow goes around saying that he'll kill all kafirs.
No one should be allowed to kill people for religious reasons.
That is where you are failing by trying to fight with the other side of the fundamentalist christians who believe if you are not saved, you should also be a kafir.
No killing of innocent people because of your religion. On that one, you can rest assured, if I was implementing the Kenyan security policy, Makaburi would have gone a very very very long time ago.
Unlike the fellows who did this, I would have been more subtle. You would probably have found him at Karumaindo in the bossom of some red eyed, veve smoking prostitute. Just to make a point. spot on.
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
|
The problem with religious zealots is that most hate reading, those that read hate understanding. @Alph Quote:“O you who do not believe! I worship not what you worship, and you are not worshipping what I worship; nor am 1 worshipping what you worship; neither -art you worshipping what I worship. Therefore, to you your religion; and to me my religion!” (chap. 109) @the christian fundamendalists now popping up on wazua Quote:Romans 14:1-4
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. I will say again. Religious zealots will be the undoing of mankind. I still wonder which religion they actually follow. As for those who will kill innocent women and children of course you should expect repurcussions from those that survived. Doesn't mean its a good thing. It's just something that is bound to happen. That goes for the Americans, the Israelis, the Palestinians, the Somalis, and the Kenyans who are busy trying to psych themselves for religious war. What religion are you really following because those that started those religions are probably chilling over a cuppa right now and shaking their heads as they witness your stupidity? The death of someone who kills people willy nilly is not a death to have a whole thread about the goodness of one's religion. The man is dead and others are following soon. Accept and move on. Preach the peace that your religion's founder preached. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
|
AlphDoti wrote:Euge wrote:Akina Doti are still at it! Puh! They stink! @Euge heshima si utumwa. Heshima is earned. Lord, thank you!
|
|
|
Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
|
What if Nelson Marwa was appointed CS for Interior ?
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
|
washiku wrote:What if Nelson Marwa was appointed CS for Interior ? Good suggestion.He is better than Ole Lenku who should be made a waiter in ststehouse.
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/8/2009 Posts: 975 Location: Nairobi
|
McReggae wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@alma sorry I'm not preaching. I was just answering a question. And yes Islam is good. I just a few misconception once in a while. @McReggae why are you clapping? Didn't I tell you this is your habit? You never answered the question I asked you last time after talking badly. And you re-appear to clap  ????????Kwani I can't clap when I agree with a posting, what is??? I can't even remember your question, if I didn't answer then I most probably didn't find it worthy of my time!!!!  when it comes to alphDoti the less said the better walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is .... You will know that you have arrived when money and time are not mutually exclusive "events" in you life!
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
|
XSK wrote:McReggae wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@alma sorry I'm not preaching. I was just answering a question. And yes Islam is good. I just a few misconception once in a while. @McReggae why are you clapping? Didn't I tell you this is your habit? You never answered the question I asked you last time after talking badly. And you re-appear to clap ????????Kwani I can't clap when I agree with a posting, what is??? I can't even remember your question, if I didn't answer then I most probably didn't find it worthy of my time!!!! when it comes to alphDoti the less said the better walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is .... a duck. Lord, thank you!
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
|
Euge wrote:XSK wrote:McReggae wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@alma sorry I'm not preaching. I was just answering a question. And yes Islam is good. I just a few misconception once in a while. @McReggae why are you clapping? Didn't I tell you this is your habit? You never answered the question I asked you last time after talking badly. And you re-appear to clap ????????Kwani I can't clap when I agree with a posting, what is??? I can't even remember your question, if I didn't answer then I most probably didn't find it worthy of my time!!!! when it comes to alphDoti the less said the better walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is .... a duck. duck here is al sabaab aka terrorist ama? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
|
Angelica _ann wrote:Euge wrote:XSK wrote:McReggae wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@alma sorry I'm not preaching. I was just answering a question. And yes Islam is good. I just a few misconception once in a while. @McReggae why are you clapping? Didn't I tell you this is your habit? You never answered the question I asked you last time after talking badly. And you re-appear to clap ????????Kwani I can't clap when I agree with a posting, what is??? I can't even remember your question, if I didn't answer then I most probably didn't find it worthy of my time!!!! when it comes to alphDoti the less said the better walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is .... a duck. duck here is al sabaab aka terrorist ama?  Lord, thank you!
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
|
guru267 wrote:Alba wrote:guru267 wrote:Alba wrote:
First off Kenya is not hindering them from having an islamic state. They are free to have one if they so choose.
I cannot and refuse to argue with the ignorant! Just admit you have been cornered and have no more arguments. Let me help you and the other ignorant with the correct sequence of events! 1. Somalia sets up Sharia law 2. USA sends Ethiopia and Uganda to invade and crush the Sharia 3. Al Shabaab gains prominence 4. Kenya refuses to get involved 5. T[color=red]o urists and aid workers get kidnapped[/color] 6. Kenya blames Al Shabaab 7. Al Shabaab denies the accusations 8. Kenya invades Somalia 9. Hundreds of Kenyans dying as a result of the invasion! Someone here asked why Kenya does not invade Ethiopia with all the killings in Turkana and Moyale.?? Ignorance is a disease!! Where? In KENYA. If these goons kept their kidnappings in their own country, we have no business with them.... why couldn't they wait for the aid workers and tourists in Somalia to kidnap them there? The moment you terrorize anyone on my ground, you sure have crossed the line. It's simple logic! If you come to my house and start clobbering my guest, you think i will hand you a cup of tea and toast? What thinking is that?
|
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
|
guru267 wrote:mkeiy wrote:@guru, If you believe in what you've been spewing all day, please grab your bui bui and head to the kitchen, where according to that belief,women belong. IGNORANCE GALORE!! Its better for a fool to keep quiet rather than remove all doubt of his stupidity! Do you know the difference between religion and culture.?? If a nyeri kikuyu Christian beats her husband will we blame culture or religion?? Did you know that Islam was the first religion with women's rights?? Did you know three quarters of new reverts to Islam are women?? Who is more empowered?? A woman who sits in front of the mirror trying to look beautiful to impress a bunch men or a woman who knows her beauty is only for God?? Indulge me miss know-it-all. I see you omitted the other parts to pick the bui bui part. Last i checked,Moslem women wear bui bui. So spare me the culture talk. Respond to the other parts quoted below. @guru, Terrorism is terrorism, whether its Al Qaeda , Al Shabaab, Mujahedeen etc etc.
They have been attacking Kenya even before we set feet in Somalia.
How was Somalia when they had Sharia law?
How was Afghanistan in the days of Taliban?
Who is fighting who and for what in Iraq?
Are you saying a few radicalized Moslems should be let to rule over the masses using Sharia? How many girls [innocent Moslems] are burned using acid for going to school in the name of Sharia law?
@guru, If you believe in what you've been spewing all day, please grab your bui bui and head to the kitchen, where according to that belief,women belong. No movies ,no football, no music, no going anywhere without a male relative etc.
Otherwise spare us the hypocrisy. If you care to answer the above, tell me how you can spew all day about Sharia law/states, the sort of states/sharia that won't allow kids to go to school, no music , no sports etc. While you are using Western technology and education? Don't just say IGNORANCE, pick it out. You seem to be rejoicing in the acts of Al Shabaab, i think only a mad man/woman is capable of doing that.
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
|
masukuma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:FOR THOSE WHO ARE GENUINELY WILLING TO BE CORRECTED
I'd like to clarify this issue about 72 virgins, which I've clarified this before.
There is nothing like this in Islam. I understand the juicy stories the media gives is so enticing.
You see, one of the biggest propaganda in this world that has been invented is that of 72 virgins. This has been amplified in the western countries many times that nowadays, many people accept it as fact and truth. No wonder even Wazuans think the same. The media wants people to believe that this is a Muslim's reward for suicide.
The Quran and valid authentic Hadiths are very clear about anyone who commits suicide.
The way Islam has condemned suicide making as grave sin, then it is unthinkable for its followers to regard sex as a reward if they were to take their lives.
Today, the myth of the 72 virgins remains potent ammunition for those who wish to see their point of view prevail against Islam. Entities like the media have twisted this alleged saying to suit their fancies and smear Islam with ridicule and humiliation. @AlphDoti - you know me, we agree on very many many many many issues so while its not in the Quran or recognised hadiths it's not a creation of 'the west' but rather one 'Abu Umama' who said Quote:he Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.' Kweli rongo? and in the same way other wayward sheikhs like akina Makaburi and others have 'interpreted' your scriptures to suit themselves and fuel their cause. hahahahahahaha.... i couldnt help it. Please allow me to laugh... now i agree with @AlphD, that must be a creation of the West.... it is just hilarious... like reading an extract from "Angela's Ashes". This cant be in the Quran. If it is, please quote the verse. I'd like to read it some more.
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
|
@alma you're an intelligent man. You reason. You read widely. Please your reply was so unlike someone who has read my responses. Please allow me to respond your issue part by part.alma wrote:I have tried to help you out alot by asking that religion not be used in this conversation. Yet you bring it back. From the start, I kept telling everybody to leave religion out of this terror. If you check my posts. Others introduced it and started name calling. I guess you didn't see all that, did you?alma wrote:Anyone who has the stupidity in him to throw bombs at children and women... Look at yourself, someone who is always quick to tell people to be reasonable. Right there you are alleging too. Have I ever supported the lone assailant at the church? Tell me the truth. I condemned the act. I went ahead and asked people not to point fingers. Even yourself you don't know the lone assailant. I don't know. No one is Wazua knows. Just like the way we don't know who killed Makaburi.alma wrote:I hate extre-judicial killings. But I hate bomb throwers more. I hate them too. Every time such things happen, I've condemned it just like everybody else. I never support killing of innocent, it does not matter what the cause is.alma wrote:So take Islam out of the equation. For one second please. Many times something happens, people are so quick to point fingers and spew hatred at some people.
You see this. You read it. But you say nothing. When they mock, you say nothing. Your heart is happy when they call me names. For example the Likoni incident, who knows who did the attack? I don't know, you don't know, Wazua don't know. So how did Wazua end up saying Islam is this and that? Yet your heart remained happy and you didn't say anything? Because of this, I cannot stand there and watch people talk lies. Oh virgins, oh Muslims, oh all these people should leave our country... Do you know me? Do you know my grand father? Do you know my roots? Muslims are not foreigners. They are Kenyans. And Muslims are not Somalis. I'm not Somali myself, and I'm Muslim. We have Muslims Kikuyus. We have Muslim Kambas. We have Muslim Luhya, Luos, Maasai, Kalenjins etc So when I clarify, when I tell them this is not good, when I tell them be rational and make everybody a partner in fighting terror, when I say don't condemn whole people because of some who claim to be them, you turn back and say I'm talking religion? What do you want me to do?
You want me to leave them spread misconception? Of course I won't. I'll continue to tell truth. It will hurt your heart but that is because you hate it too.
I will continue saying police should be thorough in doing investigation. I want to see a peaceful country, just like the way you want.alma wrote:No one should be allowed to kill people for religious reasons. Who killed in the name of religion? Please educate me. And I'll tell you I don't support that. I think you do not ready my posts. Otherwise, you won't accuse me on this one. Have I not elaborated the issue with Media and Islam? The media pick a black-sheep of community and portray that as Muslims. There are black-sheep in Christianity too. There are black-sheep in non-religious people too. I can't support extra-judicial killings. I want the goarment to do proper investigate and execute the perpetrator.
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
|
guru267 wrote:SHOCO wrote:
Nations invade nations.Tanzania invaded Uganda.USA invaded and occupied Korea,germany and Japan.
None of the citizens fought off the invaders nevertheless the dictactors.
Why is it so different in Islamic Nation(s)?
The qur'an tells Muslims to **** any invaders on their lands! Madam, do you suggest we throw some lethal gas in Darfur or something? Or that is not invasion? So, how did Baby Osinya "invade" Somalia? And what might the good qur'an say of those who shoot defenseless public while shouting "Allah".
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
|
@Alphdoti, you owe no one an explanation here. Your stand on al-shabaab and terrorism is well known. You are a clean man. The more you try to explain your answers, the more you are misunderstood. This al-shabaab guys are politicians and businessmen (smugglers), nothing to do with religion. Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
|
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
|
@Alphdoti Let me explain myself clearly to you. Much of what you say is actually reasonable. But you allow yourself to engage in religious fights with the other guys on the other side. Maybe because you are always on the other side of Mukiri that is why you see the need to support your religion. Fair enough. But you are falling in "their" trap. Let me assure you I find no difference between a Muslim zealot and a Christian zealot. Mko pamoja. That is why you end up always coming back to defend that which does not need to be defended. I have lived in many places and I know not to engage in religious arguments as no one wins. So my advice to you....Avoid being drawn in by some kids on this forum who will taunt you that Islam is bad. Islam is not bad, Christianity is not bad. Only the people who practice these religions are bad. Some throw bombs and others are just plain bigots. The fire in hell will be the same degrees centigrade for both of them. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
|
|
|
Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,236 Location: Vacuum
|
alma wrote:@Alphdoti
Let me explain myself clearly to you.
Much of what you say is actually reasonable. But you allow yourself to engage in religious fights with the other guys on the other side.
Maybe because you are always on the other side of Mukiri that is why you see the need to support your religion. Fair enough.
But you are falling in "their" trap.
Let me assure you I find no difference between a Muslim zealot and a Christian zealot. Mko pamoja.
That is why you end up always coming back to defend that which does not need to be defended.
I have lived in many places and I know not to engage in religious arguments as no one wins.
So my advice to you....Avoid being drawn in by some kids on this forum who will taunt you that Islam is bad.
Islam is not bad, Christianity is not bad. Only the people who practice these religions are bad.
Some throw bombs and others are just plain bigots. The fire in hell will be the same degrees centigrade for both of them.
@Alma, smoke 7 rolls of marijuana on my bill If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
|
|
|
Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
|
|
|
|
Wazua
»
Club SK
»
Life
»
Breaking News!! Makaburi Dead??
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.
|