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masukuma
#181 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 6:14:01 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
FOR THOSE WHO ARE GENUINELY WILLING TO BE CORRECTED I'd like to clarify this issue about 72 virgins, which I've clarified this before. There is nothing like this in Islam. I understand the juicy stories the media gives is so enticing. You see, one of the biggest propaganda in this world that has been invented is that of 72 virgins. This has been amplified in the western countries many times that nowadays, many people accept it as fact and truth. No wonder even Wazuans think the same. The media wants people to believe that this is a Muslim's reward for suicide. The Quran and valid authentic Hadiths are very clear about anyone who commits suicide. The way Islam has condemned suicide making as grave sin, then it is unthinkable for its followers to regard sex as a reward if they were to take their lives. Today, the myth of the 72 virgins remains potent ammunition for those who wish to see their point of view prevail against Islam. Entities like the media have twisted this alleged saying to suit their fancies and smear Islam with ridicule and humiliation.
@AlphDoti - you know me, we agree on very many many many many issues so while its not in the Quran or recognised hadiths it's not a creation of 'the west' but rather one 'Abu Umama' who said
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he Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.'
Kweli rongo? and in the same way other wayward sheikhs like akina Makaburi and others have 'interpreted' your scriptures to suit themselves and fuel their cause.
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smano
#182 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 6:20:56 PM
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Joined: 12/13/2006
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I'd like to appreciate that I will never understand Islam,in the same way a muslim will never understand a christian or whatever. In the same way there are radicals who misquote the Koran for their gain, we also have priests/pastors who misquote the bible e.g. the pastor who recently wanted his female congregation to come to for sermons without ngotha and also sit with their legs apart! Now, my issue is not Islam but those radicals who brainwash children to go and blow up churches in the name of jihad or whatever (like I mentioned, I'll never understand it). But if the two cannot be delinked, then too bad, we'll take both as one. Personally I find terrorists to be the biggest cowards on earth, much like wife batterers. Instead of attacking Lanet barracks they they plant a bomb in a nondescript cafe in Eastleigh patronised by poor folk who come to watch news as they eat supper,mostly on credit. If any Muslim/christian/homo/hetero etc finds that okay and can finance, support, bombs etc then they also need to be shot. Live by the sword and die by the sword. So, will our friends who see this as a normal affair care to elaborate on what exactly it will take for these attacks to stop? KDF to leave Somalia or what? Then after that? Let's talk plainly...
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AlphDoti
#183 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 6:21:32 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
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Location: Kenya
Kratos wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
FOR THOSE WHO ARE GENUINELY WILLING TO BE CORRECTED I'd like to clarify this issue about 72 virgins, which I've clarified this before. There is nothing like this in Islam. I understand the juicy stories the media gives is so enticing. You see, one of the biggest propaganda in this world that has been invented is that of 72 virgins. This has been amplified in the western countries many times that nowadays, many people accept it as fact and truth. No wonder even Wazuans think the same. The media wants people to believe that this is a Muslim's reward for suicide. The Quran and valid authentic Hadiths are very clear about anyone who commits suicide. The way Islam has condemned suicide making as grave sin, then it is unthinkable for its followers to regard sex as a reward if they were to take their lives. Today, the myth of the 72 virgins remains potent ammunition for those who wish to see their point of view prevail against Islam. Entities like the media have twisted this alleged saying to suit their fancies and smear Islam with ridicule and humiliation.
Dude! Focus, focus!!! No one really cares if its true or not. Ebu tell us more on this
@Kratos dude, you're the one who needs to focus. You're not even listening to the answer to a question before asking another? I'm clarifying misconception about 71 virgins. It's not Islamic. It's media propaganda. So I hope we're clear about it.
Kratos
#184 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 6:29:25 PM
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Joined: 9/19/2011
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AlphDoti wrote:
Kratos wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
FOR THOSE WHO ARE GENUINELY WILLING TO BE CORRECTED I'd like to clarify this issue about 72 virgins, which I've clarified this before. There is nothing like this in Islam. I understand the juicy stories the media gives is so enticing. You see, one of the biggest propaganda in this world that has been invented is that of 72 virgins. This has been amplified in the western countries many times that nowadays, many people accept it as fact and truth. No wonder even Wazuans think the same. The media wants people to believe that this is a Muslim's reward for suicide. The Quran and valid authentic Hadiths are very clear about anyone who commits suicide. The way Islam has condemned suicide making as grave sin, then it is unthinkable for its followers to regard sex as a reward if they were to take their lives. Today, the myth of the 72 virgins remains potent ammunition for those who wish to see their point of view prevail against Islam. Entities like the media have twisted this alleged saying to suit their fancies and smear Islam with ridicule and humiliation.
Dude! Focus, focus!!! No one really cares if its true or not. Ebu tell us more on this
@Kratos dude, you're the one who needs to focus. You're not even listening to the answer to a question before asking another? I'm clarifying misconception about 71 virgins. It's not Islamic. It's media propaganda. So I hope we're clear about it.
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly So now you will not answer my question because you want to discuss virgins? Ebu jibu @ Masukuma hapo juu then come back we discuss the video
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dunkang
#185 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 6:41:52 PM
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masukuma wrote:
some fools calling themselves Boko Haram have been 'banning western education' while using 'western weapons' ridding on western technology e.t.c. basically saying - IT'S OK FOR ME TO USE 'WESTERN' TECH BUT IT WILL CORRUPT OUR CHILDREN. this is the 21st century people! even the F**cking Arabs in Saudi and UAE don't fight directly but rather let the poor nations like Somalia, Afghanistan and Yemen engage in 'jihad'!! Ujinga ile imejaa these places!! sema kutumiwa then kutupwa!!
Just like Al-Shabab ban use of internet in Somalia then post the same message via internet.
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AlphDoti
#186 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 6:45:11 PM
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masukuma wrote:
@AlphDoti - you know me, we agree on very many many many many issues so while its not in the Quran or recognised hadiths it's not a creation of 'the west' but rather one 'Abu Umama' who said
Quote:
he Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.'
Kweli rongo? and in the same way other wayward sheikhs like akina Makaburi and others have 'interpreted' your scriptures to suit themselves and fuel their cause.
@masukuma, I'm glad you realize that it is important to understand each. I respect you too in many things. Let this propaganda make us hate each other. First, don't rely on "wiki-that, wiki-this, wiki-blah-blah". I don't know about this 'Abu Umama' and his hadith found on a website. Turn to authentic hadiths. Secondly, I have told you that the highest authority in Islam, the Quran, has nothing endorsing rewards for suicide. Instead, it strongly condems with severe punishments for those who commit suicide. Thirdly, the next authority in Islam is the Hadiths: the authentic are Bukhari and Muslim. PLEASE I I REPEAT THE AUTHENTIC HADITHS ARE "Bukhari and Muslim". We find nothing endorsing suicide in the hadiths categorized as authentic: Bukhari and Muslim. Again we find them condemning it strongly. However there are some unreliable hadiths referred to as Gharib Hadiths (weak or strange Hadiths). These talk about 72 wives but not virgins. The inauthentic hadith itself is below and it says the Prophet Muhammad (saw) was heard saying: "The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sanaa [Yemen]" as Narrated by Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2562. This is as a weak Hadith, because there is a chance that it may have been fabricated or corrupted along the way. Therefore, it has been rejected in Islam as technically weak in its chain of transmitters and not considered accurate. As a result Muslims are not required to believe in it. SO IMPORTANT Even if the hadith was true, there is nothing about it that says that if someone commits suicide they would get 72 virgins in paradise. You see, the way Islam has condemned suicide, making as grave sin, then it is unthinkable for its followers to regard sex as a reward if they were to take their lives. Today, the myth of the 72 virgins an ammunition for those who wish to see their point of view prevail against Islam. The media have twisted this alleged saying to suit their fancies and smear Islam with ridicule and humiliation.
dunkang
#187 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 6:58:46 PM
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@Alph, i seriously don't think most wazuan have anything against you. You are usually very sober. But what is making most of us mad is this endless support of savagery as the only way to air one's grievances by @guru. @Alph you are a sober man, and kudos for that, but as for me, i easily lose my temper when someone tries backing terrorism on INNOCENT babies in the name of religion.
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masukuma
#188 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 7:05:11 PM
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dunkang wrote:
@Alph, i seriously don't think most wazuan have anything against you. You are usually very sober. But what is making most of us mad is this endless support of savagery as the only way to air one's grievances by @guru. @Alph you are a sober man, and kudos for that, but as for me, i easily lose my temper when someone tries backing terrorism on INNOCENT babies in the name of religion.
Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause @Alph is a very sober man...very sober man! I would really like to meet him in person.
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murchr
#189 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 7:18:58 PM
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And those shameless MUHURI guys are giving the govt ultimatums yet they said nothing during the church attack. BK
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harrydre
#190 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 8:04:02 PM
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lets move to other things please!
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