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Russia Going to War with US over Ukraine?
McReggae
#351 Posted : Thursday, March 27, 2014 9:44:12 PM
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murchr wrote:
McReggae wrote:
@murchir In both WW1 and WW2, France was occupied by Germany and much fighting took place in France rather than in Germany, so that France suffered the more shelling than Germany during the wars even though the Germans lost and the French were on the winning side......we on the same page now?


So how is France comming in now? If this is Russia vs Germany. By the way, that Angel in Germany doesnt want this "war" at all. Hakuna pesa so many of these countries owe her and for her they have to pay.

Secondly, Germany relies so much on Russia not only for its energy but other raw materials as well, and Russia is a good market for german technology trade = $35B. So far her diplomats ave distanced themselves from this Obama story, issuing vague sentences.


Your problem again, just highlighted how France suffers in the German Vs Russia conflicts, what's so hard in understanding that!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
murchr
#352 Posted : Thursday, March 27, 2014 11:28:42 PM
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McReggae wrote:
murchr wrote:
McReggae wrote:
@murchir In both WW1 and WW2, France was occupied by Germany and much fighting took place in France rather than in Germany, so that France suffered the more shelling than Germany during the wars even though the Germans lost and the French were on the winning side......we on the same page now?


So how is France comming in now? If this is Russia vs Germany. By the way, that Angel in Germany doesnt want this "war" at all. Hakuna pesa so many of these countries owe her and for her they have to pay.

Secondly, Germany relies so much on Russia not only for its energy but other raw materials as well, and Russia is a good market for german technology trade = $35B. So far her diplomats ave distanced themselves from this Obama story, issuing vague sentences.


Your problem again, just highlighted how France suffers in the German Vs Russia conflicts, what's so hard in understanding that!!!!


And my point is Germany is not fighting Russia. EU is not Germany. Ebu kwanza remind me what sanctions did the EU place?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr
#353 Posted : Thursday, March 27, 2014 11:37:01 PM
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(Reuters) - The United States and the European Union agreed on Wednesday to work together to prepare possible tougher economic sanctions in response to Russia's behavior in Ukraine, including on the energy sector, and to make Europe less dependent on Russian gas.

U.S. President Barack Obama said after a summit with top EU officials that Russian President Vladimir Putin had miscalculated if he thought he could divide the West or count on its indifference over his annexation of Crimea.

Leaders of the Group of Seven major industrial powers decided this week to hold off on sanctions targeting Moscow's economy unless Putin took further action to destabilize Ukraine or other former Soviet republics. d'oh!

"If Russia continues on its current course, however, the isolation will deepen, sanctions will increase and there will be more consequences for the Russian economy," Obama told a joint news conference with European Council President Herman Van Rompuy and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso.

In the keynote address of his European trip, Obama later told an audience of 2,000 young people that the West would prevail if it remained united, not by military action but by the power of its values to attract ordinary Ukrainians.

Russia would not be "dislodged from Crimea or deterred from further escalation by military force. But with time, so long as we remain united, the Russian people will recognize that they cannot achieve security, prosperity, and the status they seek through brute force," he said.

In the speech in a Brussels concert hall, which resembled a point-by-point rebuttal of Putin's March 18 Kremlin speech announcing the annexation of Crimea, Obama voiced respect for a strong Russia but said "that does not mean that Russia can run roughshod over its neighbors".

He also said NATO would step up its presence in new east European member states bordering on Russia and Ukraine to provide reassurance that the alliance's mutual defense guarantee would protect them.

Russian forces in Crimea captured the last Ukrainian navy ship after firing warning shots and stun grenades, completing Moscow's takeover of military installations in the Black Sea peninsula. Kiev has ordered its forces to withdraw.


So as we were yapping jana the UN council passed a vote and Russia had support from very likely partners Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, North Korea, Nicaragua, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela and Zimbabwe voted against the resolution. Kenya and other 57 countries abstained 100 countries voted for the resolution.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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McReggae
#354 Posted : Friday, March 28, 2014 7:37:29 AM
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murchr wrote:
McReggae wrote:
murchr wrote:
McReggae wrote:
@murchir In both WW1 and WW2, France was occupied by Germany and much fighting took place in France rather than in Germany, so that France suffered the more shelling than Germany during the wars even though the Germans lost and the French were on the winning side......we on the same page now?


So how is France comming in now? If this is Russia vs Germany. By the way, that Angel in Germany doesnt want this "war" at all. Hakuna pesa so many of these countries owe her and for her they have to pay.

Secondly, Germany relies so much on Russia not only for its energy but other raw materials as well, and Russia is a good market for german technology trade = $35B. So far her diplomats ave distanced themselves from this Obama story, issuing vague sentences.


Your problem again, just highlighted how France suffers in the German Vs Russia conflicts, what's so hard in understanding that!!!!


And my point is Germany is not fighting Russia. EU is not Germany. Ebu kwanza remind me what sanctions did the EU place?


Germany remains the face of EU my friend, do we have to argue over this?
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
SG
#355 Posted : Friday, March 28, 2014 1:13:10 PM
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Posts: 30
McReggae wrote:
murchr wrote:
McReggae wrote:
murchr wrote:
McReggae wrote:
@murchir In both WW1 and WW2, France was occupied by Germany and much fighting took place in France rather than in Germany, so that France suffered the more shelling than Germany during the wars even though the Germans lost and the French were on the winning side......we on the same page now?


So how is France comming in now? If this is Russia vs Germany. By the way, that Angel in Germany doesnt want this "war" at all. Hakuna pesa so many of these countries owe her and for her they have to pay.

Secondly, Germany relies so much on Russia not only for its energy but other raw materials as well, and Russia is a good market for german technology trade = $35B. So far her diplomats ave distanced themselves from this Obama story, issuing vague sentences.


Your problem again, just highlighted how France suffers in the German Vs Russia conflicts, what's so hard in understanding that!!!!


And my point is Germany is not fighting Russia. EU is not Germany. Ebu kwanza remind me what sanctions did the EU place?


Germany remains the face of EU my friend, do we have to argue over this?


Closer home guys to effects on Wanjiku and opportunties unless you live in Siberia.
1) Wheat & related products prices are expected to rise in the next one week.
murchr
#356 Posted : Friday, March 28, 2014 2:12:32 PM
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McReggae wrote:
murchr wrote:
McReggae wrote:
murchr wrote:
McReggae wrote:
@murchir In both WW1 and WW2, France was occupied by Germany and much fighting took place in France rather than in Germany, so that France suffered the more shelling than Germany during the wars even though the Germans lost and the French were on the winning side......we on the same page now?


So how is France comming in now? If this is Russia vs Germany. By the way, that Angel in Germany doesnt want this "war" at all. Hakuna pesa so many of these countries owe her and for her they have to pay.

Secondly, Germany relies so much on Russia not only for its energy but other raw materials as well, and Russia is a good market for german technology trade = $35B. So far her diplomats ave distanced themselves from this Obama story, issuing vague sentences.


Your problem again, just highlighted how France suffers in the German Vs Russia conflicts, what's so hard in understanding that!!!!


And my point is Germany is not fighting Russia. EU is not Germany. Ebu kwanza remind me what sanctions did the EU place?


Germany remains the face of EU my friend, do we have to argue over this?


Ask Merkel
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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kizee1
#357 Posted : Friday, March 28, 2014 5:03:58 PM
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Alba
#358 Posted : Friday, March 28, 2014 6:47:55 PM
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murchr wrote:


The Crimeans were the taxpayers just as the other ukrainians were. Chechnya is a republic a federal subject of Russia. Crimea was also an autonomous state a subject of Ukraine, whom they dissed They had their own govt parliament etc. There's a whole history on Chechens that is not as simple as you'd want to claim. The greatest fear of the west is that he is rebuilding the USSR, if its the people's choice then it will be inevitable.

Obama should be focusing on the oncoming elections, he is close to loosing the majority on the senate, if that happens life will be miserable in his last two years.


It seems you do not do much reading
Crimea depended heavily on the Ukrainian mainland to balance its books. Around 70% of Crimea's $1.2 billion budget comes directly from Kiev.


And how exactly did Ukraine dis Crimea ? They even gave them autonomy unlike the Russians who bombed the Chechens back to the stone-age. They funded their budget to the tune of 70%. They allowed Russian language to be used. Russia does not extend the same privilges to the 8 million Ukrainians who live in Russia.

You are clearly being disingenuous on Chechnya. You said that Crimeans wanted out of Ukraine so they should be allowed to leave. But you do not want to give Chechens the same privilege ?

Your statement about Obama makes absolutely no sense. As if an American president can simply sit back and watch global events like this one without taking actions.

In any case this debate is not about USA elections so don't try to cloud the issue. Democrats almost always loose mid term elections anyway so its nothing sensational.
Alba
#359 Posted : Friday, March 28, 2014 6:49:44 PM
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Location: Bandalungwa
murchr wrote:


The Crimeans were the taxpayers just as the other ukrainians were. Chechnya is a republic a federal subject of Russia. Crimea was also an autonomous state a subject of Ukraine, whom they dissed They had their own govt parliament etc. There's a whole history on Chechens that is not as simple as you'd want to claim. The greatest fear of the west is that he is rebuilding the USSR, if its the people's choice then it will be inevitable.

Obama should be focusing on the oncoming elections, he is close to loosing the majority on the senate, if that happens life will be miserable in his last two years.


It seems you do not do much reading
Crimea depended heavily on the Ukrainian mainland to balance its books. Around 70% of Crimea's $1.2 billion budget comes directly from Kiev.


And how exactly did Ukraine dis Crimea ? They even gave them autonomy unlike the Russians who bombed the Chechens back to the stone-age. They funded their budget to the tune of 70%. They allowed Russian language to be used. Russia does not extend the same privilges to the 8 million Ukrainians who live in Russia.

You are clearly being disingenuous on Chechnya. You said that Crimeans wanted out of Ukraine so they should be allowed to leave. But you do not want to give Chechens the same privilege ?

Your statement about Obama makes absolutely no sense. As if an American president can simply sit back and watch global events like this one without taking actions.

In any case this debate is not about USA elections so don't try to cloud the issue. Democrats almost always loose mid term elections anyway so its nothing sensational.
Njung'e
#360 Posted : Friday, March 28, 2014 7:03:23 PM
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[quote=kizee1]the noose tightens!

http://nypost.com/2014/0...ie-support-for-ukraine/[/quote]


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