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Russia Going to War with US over Ukraine?
murchr
#251 Posted : Saturday, March 22, 2014 6:22:13 PM
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Captain...how did sanctions against Mwau Kiraitu etc affect Kenya?
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#252 Posted : Sunday, March 23, 2014 1:43:23 PM
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Some background history of the area going a few centuries back

Crimea: Whose land is this? by Sergei Khrushchev

Part 2 from former Soviet PM Nikita Khrushchev's son

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At the end of 1953, when the five-year plan for 1955-1960 was being prepared, two irrigation canals included: South-Ukrainian and North-Crimean.

The first canal was going through Ukrainian territory in its entirety, while the second one began in Ukraine and ended in the Russian Federation, in Crimea. The planners decided that this will necessitate the splitting of construction authority, which will cause confusion in the building process and slow it down. So they came up with a suggestion to the government: Since the canal passes mostly through Ukrainian territory, then the rest of it should, along with the whole of Crimea, pass from the supervision of Moscow to that of Kiev.

My father Nikita Khrushchev who headed the leadership of the Soviet Union, agreed with this argument, especially that an anniversary was approaching:

In February 1954, it was 300 years since Ukraine joined Russia. It was said - it was done. The Higher Council of the Russian Federation decided to pass Crimea over to Ukraine. In this way, Crimea came under the jurisdiction of Kiev, but just formally. In fact, it remained part of the Soviet Union and was our common holiday destination.


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And as for the accusations and insults thrown at President Vladimir Putin, let's think about them. Twenty-five years ago, his predecessor Mikhail Gorbachev turned his face westward, declared his adherence to Western values and friendship with the US. Boris Yeltsin followed the same policies, and even Putin in his early years did so.

The US did not abide by any of its promises to Russia, neither the written ones, nor the spoken ones. They promised that NATO would not enter Eastern Europe, and what is the reality today? Russia supported the US war on Iraq and even the intervention in Libya aiming at regime change. As a result, Russian companies have been squeezed out of the markets of these countries.

From Russia, they expect unconditional obedience, without any attempt to defend Russian national interests. And on top of that, it's threatened by sanctions. It seems that they perceived the friendship between Russia and the US to mean that Russia would remain a small nation in the American orbit . Maybe Putin simply got tired of doing that?
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Rahatupu
#253 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 10:55:41 AM
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To paraphrase Karl Marx:

A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of "the reincarnation of the bear". All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: How history haunts us over time.
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#254 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 11:03:16 AM
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murchr wrote:
Captain...how did sanctions against Mwau Kiraitu etc affect Kenya?


Keraithu was sanctioned? When?

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poundfoolish
#255 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 11:13:20 AM
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murchr wrote:
Captain...how did sanctions against Mwau Kiraitu etc affect Kenya?


Have you ever tried to find out how much clout and wealth disappeared? especially for the Boss...

Kuongea bila kujua ni haki yako lakini...
Muriel
#256 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 11:26:39 AM
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Rahatupu wrote:
To paraphrase Karl Marx:

A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of "the reincarnation of the bear". All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: How history haunts us over time.


Karl Marx ,,,,,,,,,,

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Pedes
#257 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 11:26:59 AM
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Kratos
#258 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 11:30:21 AM
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poundfoolish wrote:
murchr wrote:
Captain...how did sanctions against Mwau Kiraitu etc affect Kenya?


Have you ever tried to find out how much clout and wealth disappeared? especially for the Boss...

Kuongea bila kujua ni haki yako lakini...


Most likely you haven't understood the question. How did that wealth that "disappeared" affect Kenya?

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poundfoolish
#259 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 11:30:33 AM
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Pedes wrote:



This bear has forever been kept in check.

Wait till Republicans get the white house. It shall be Swift and subtle.
poundfoolish
#260 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 11:36:41 AM
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Kratos wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
murchr wrote:
Captain...how did sanctions against Mwau Kiraitu etc affect Kenya?


Have you ever tried to find out how much clout and wealth disappeared? especially for the Boss...

Kuongea bila kujua ni haki yako lakini...


Most likely you haven't understood the question. How did that wealth that "disappeared" affect Kenya?


I did.. and concluded it was a silly question.... but not to the individuals affected. Some billions that could have ended up in our economy now wont.

A more appropriate question would be.. What effect did the threat of sanctions (to certian individuals close to RAO & OBAKS) during the Koffi Annan Negotiations alter the speed at which the coalition government was achieved
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