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Elliott Wave Analysis Of The NSE 20
mnandii
#11 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 9:22:16 AM
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sparkly wrote:
Good analysis. I expect a move lower but not to the lows of 2576.

So 2576 appears too low?

Ok, this is the scenario that should play out. In 1997 the value of the Shilling was much higher than it is today. At least back then if you had Sh 10,000 you could buy alot more stocks than you can with the same amount today. i.e the value of the same has depreciated. A lot.

So the hypothesis goes that as we enter the era of deflation, the value of the shilling will rise and if you have Sh 10,000 your ability to BUY stocks (or any other good) will increase substantially. What may be seen as the fall in the price of stocks (or other items for that matter) is actually a consequence of deflation (i.e the rise in the value of the shilling).

So, in essence, the market can and will fall by more than half the present levels.

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mnandii
#12 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 9:28:19 AM
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Charts tell the truth
Prechter.

Look at this one from 1929-1932. The great depression.

Notice especially how a price which has no momentum behind it almost always leads to a fall.

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mnandii
#13 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 9:29:58 AM
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Pray
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mnandii
#14 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 9:44:04 AM
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mkeiy wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Jaina wrote:
@ Mnandii whats the conclusion to your analysis in layman terms


Sell your holdings and wait for the prices we last saw in March 2009. In other words the nse will fall by 47%.



Are you guys saying regardless of how the economy is managed,the Nse will always stick to that script?
I don't think so. There will be a correction but not as significant as 2009.

Yes. The script is waves of emotion. You see, all financial markets follow the pattern of human social mood. When people acting collectively have a positive mood, the same is reflected in how they act. So they push the price of the market up. When social mood becomes negative the price of financial iinstruments fall.

So the stock market is a gauge of social mood. And this discussion brings us to social causality. Events outside the market (interest rates, wars etc ) do not determine the path of the market. When CB change rates they are only REACTING to the market! E.G. How comes CB forecasts of the rate of growth are never met? And we continue to trust their ability to determine how the economy fairs?

Social mood determine the direction of the market.

Socionomics Explained
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mnandii
#15 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 9:55:16 AM
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hisah wrote:
Another TA view showing the toughness of the 5000 level, which has stalled upward progress since Nov 2013.

@mnandii - thanks for the EW count. If this count is right on the long term timeframe, then its possible for 3000 to be tested. The market has run out of bargains.

Manufacturers have reported bad results what will be different this yr? Gok is already preaching austerity - wage cuts etc. Money doesn't expand in an austerity environment. Liquidity will thin out as the yr progresses. I expect more profit dips and loss report in 2014. Bearish industrials means bearish banking coming soon and then the market adjusts to that reality...

Thanks too chief. smile
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mnandii
#16 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 10:02:27 AM
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hisah wrote:
@mnandii - the low in march 09 was at 2300 level otherwise it conflicts with the yr 2004 lows.

True. 2361 according to my data feed. And yr 2004 low was a fourth wave! So the fall from 6026 found support at the previous fourth wave of one lesser degree. From Elliot this is the guideline of depth of corrective waves.

Now. Elliott states that the 'B' wave of a zigzag usually retraces between 38-79% of wave 'A'.
A little mathematics:

From the all time high of 6026 to the low of wave 'A' is 3665 points (6026-2361 =3665). From the 2361 low to the present high level of 5073 is 2712 points (5073-2361 =2712). So 'B' has retraced 'A' by about 74 % currently.

i.e (2712/3665) X 100% = 74%.
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mnandii
#17 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 10:19:08 AM
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Like the developed markets, we should have sentiment measures. These indicators are good at measuring the mood of the market i.e how much bullish or bearish the market is.

Also short selling the market is a long overdue requirement.
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mnandii
#18 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 10:26:23 AM
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KCB



Sisemi kitu.

There was a share split you say? That has been factored in the social mood. Why is the market struggling to rise?

Enjoy the dividends and the bonus. From the look of things it might be the last one in a very long winter. I say 'might'. The path will become clear as the waves develop.

Chart obtained from the Financial Times website
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sparkly
#19 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 10:37:33 AM
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mnandii wrote:
mkeiy wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Jaina wrote:
@ Mnandii whats the conclusion to your analysis in layman terms


Sell your holdings and wait for the prices we last saw in March 2009. In other words the nse will fall by 47%.



Are you guys saying regardless of how the economy is managed,the Nse will always stick to that script?
I don't think so. There will be a correction but not as significant as 2009.

Yes. The script is waves of emotion. You see, all financial markets follow the pattern of human social mood. When people acting collectively have a positive mood, the same is reflected in how they act. So they push the price of the market up. When social mood becomes negative the price of financial iinstruments fall.

So the stock market is a gauge of social mood. And this discussion brings us to social causality. Events outside the market (interest rates, wars etc ) do not determine the path of the market. When CB change rates they are only REACTING to the market! E.G. How comes CB forecasts of the rate of growth are never met? And we continue to trust their ability to determine how the economy fairs?

Social mood determine the direction of the market.

Socionomics Explained


@Mnandii this is a theory and i am sure there are critiques to the theory.

My theory is that the so called boom & bust economic cycles are not inevitable paths but are triggered by the financial industry through monetary expansion & contraction cycles.

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hisah
#20 Posted : Monday, March 24, 2014 11:17:21 AM
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Where are the bulls? The bullish arguments are lacking... I prefer bear setups where bulls are still thumping their chests for a proper discount window.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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