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Alba
#61 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:57:00 PM
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Muriel wrote:


Alba can also be told, in easy, bite sized and dramatic & eye catching examples how a seemingly prosperous nation was reduced to a 'slum' where gang lords control swathes of territory as the oil underneath their feet are being siphoned off and they cannot sell it to whom they want without navy seals boarding the tanker.

Perhaps?


I am not saying slums cannot exist in the USA. I am refuting the idea posited by tycho that the USA encourages slums. Quite the opposite is true. They discourage slums bu building public housing for low income people
Muriel
#62 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:01:12 PM
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Buster wrote:
Another thread hijacked....


You see, dear readers, the police presence I am talking about?

Surveillance to identify and tag 'hijacked' threads - without necessarily contributing anything to them.

Surely Kibera is in greater need of this service.

Unless Wazyua is Kibera in which case a slum indeed is where those politically marginalized live as they labour by continously clicking the mouses hence providing market for the capitalist machinery humming in the urban, networked set up.

You will agree with me that Wazua is not a place with bad housing.
Angelica _ann
#63 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:04:27 PM
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Surely Kifake, Mweiga na USA aka slums you guys need Pray Pray Pray
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Muriel
#64 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:20:29 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Surely Kifake, Mweiga na USA aka slums you guys need Pray Pray Pray


Excuse me Miss Ann,

I feel honoured posting in a thread in which you are also posting.

In the (business) world, everyone has choices available. Its advised to prioritize what is best for one at the moment. For example, you can always take experience now and leave cash for later.

tycho
#65 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:13:57 PM
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Surely @Alba, you not only don't know how to read, but reasoning seems to be a very difficult task for you.

For example, my definition for 'slum' is qualified by 'capitalist machinery', 'labor and market' and 'urban set up'. How these apply to what did to the kikuyus in 'central province' or luos in Nyanza is a matter I'll leave to your so called 'untwisted logic'. Then think about the definition you've given on 'slum'. You mention words like 'squalid' and 'poor'; did you also check on their meanings on your dictionary/dictionaries? Does your 'logic' or 'no logic' recognize equivalent statements? Certainly not, for down the road you even start talking of poor who are 'propertied'. How you get to connect poverty, property and slum I'll leave it to you to explain if you can. And please don't forget your dictionary.

According to you, America has no squalid places where the poor live, or that America doesn't encourage the being of such places. Here's a perspective http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih....mc/articles/PMC1447149/ for you to consider. And also http://newsone.com/15552...ublic-housing-projects/ and also this http://www.nytimes.com/2...us/21atlanta.html?_r=0.

How you fail to see the connection between 'occupy wall street' and 'slums' just shows how shallow your thinking is. Besides, if you ask someone who knows how to read to do the work for you, he/she'll tell you that I have written of 'situations' and 'events' surrounding this movement. For example, big banks were bailed out while many were left homeless as the recent financial crisis hit. Need I remind you that 'occupy' was also about the continuous increase in inequality over more than thirty years? Was this by accident on the government side? What of how American foreign policy encourages 'slums' as per your dictionary quote?

I won't tire of answering you about Kibaki and his palatial house. If he can get such a house legally and with his consent then the morals you're talking about are standing on sinking sand. Or are you saying that public servants and former heads of state shouldn't be rewarded for their work? How do you determine what's too much? Your question is just an attempt at sensationalism.

The only truth you've said is that you represent a fiction called the 'ordinary Kenyan' which is equal to representing 'no one'.
tycho
#66 Posted : Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:25:18 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
You, who are you speaking for? Can you prove it?

I speak for the wananchi, Kenyan people. This thread is not about me. I have my own goals. You have your own. Everybody does. And we have the forces behind all us, and we have to survive the best way we can.

But we have elected leaders, who are supposed to come up with policies and implement them for service delivery. Please don't reply and say I should not wait for the leaders to change my country, please let's not go along that line.
Because you see me condemning misuse of funds to build a non-priority palace for a retiring president. Yet I believe I play role as a good Kenyan citizen. I pay tax, direct and indirect through fuel levies, consumables and also CESS for my farm produce.

But do I feel the garment use my hard earned taxes properly? The answer is no.


@AlphDoti, a government that survives on taxes can hardly have the good citizens you are claiming to be. For example, complaining about how taxes are used by government implies that the government could be wrong. Which government can allow this? Especially if it's charged with knowing what's good for the citizen?

The other day one of my students was arrested for 'piracy', and when I tried to show his innocence, a government official told me that it's the 'good people' like me who suffer the most, and that the 'innocent' are overcrowding our prisons. 'Nice guys finish last'.
Alba
#67 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:34:58 PM
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I am done debating tycho. It is not a good use of my time. But I wanted to highlight some of the ignorant posts tycho has posted on this thread before I leave so you folk can judge for yourself


1. Slum dwellers don’t have property

2. People who don’t have property do not deserve police protection Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

3. Slums are places where only people who are politically marginalized live

4. Occupy wall street movement was about slums --> This is funny because there are virtually no slums in the USA

5. Kibaki deserves a palatial house as a reward for his work and it is correct for the government to spend millions more maintaining it This is at a time when UK says civil servants have to take paycut

6. Sportmen in Kenya especially boxers are not doing well because there is no market for their services This is silly when you consider that Kenyan boxers can earn Ksh 2.2 million for only one fight at the world boxing championships

7. You can only post on Wazua if you represent someone Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

With regard to Occupy Wall street, I actually attended many occupy wall street rallies. The word slum was never even mentioned at those rallies. In the USA poor people don’t live in slums. They live in public housing provided by the city. A moral government provides for its poor. An immoral government builds palatial homes for retired presidents who already have enough money
tycho
#68 Posted : Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:32:07 PM
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Alba wrote:
I am done debating tycho. It is not a good use of my time. But I wanted to highlight some of the ignorant posts tycho has posted on this thread before I leave so you folk can judge for yourself


1. Slum dwellers don’t have property

2. People who don’t have property do not deserve police protection Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

3. Slums are places where only people who are politically marginalized live

4. Occupy wall street movement was about slums --> This is funny because there are virtually no slums in the USA

5. Kibaki deserves a palatial house as a reward for his work and it is correct for the government to spend millions more maintaining it This is at a time when UK says civil servants have to take paycut

6. Sportmen in Kenya especially boxers are not doing well because there is no market for their services This is silly when you consider that Kenyan boxers can earn Ksh 2.2 million for only one fight at the world boxing championships

7. You can only post on Wazua if you represent someone Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

With regard to Occupy Wall street, I actually attended many occupy wall street rallies. The word slum was never even mentioned at those rallies. In the USA poor people don’t live in slums. They live in public housing provided by the city. A moral government provides for its poor. An immoral government builds palatial homes for retired presidents who already have enough money


@Alba, it's okay if you're done 'debating' me. For me I can only say that one has at least to represent himself for any genuine political conversation, and the use or no use of a word like 'slum' depends on many things.

I live in Kibera, and I decided to ask some people what their ideas and thoughts are on the suggestion that they should have more police stations and I received some very interesting responses. And most questioned how this would indeed help the slum dweller.

As for whether 'slum' dwellers own property or not I'll just refer you to your preferred definitions and hope you'll learn to go beyond the surface of things.

About the 'silliness' of boxers and markets I will just laugh at you and your shallow thinking. I happen to have seen those social halls you're talking about, some of the boxers who've 'excelled' and gone 'majuu', I have even sponsored a boxer and experienced how boxing in Kenya tastes. And as I said, I represent these young men and women who end up dreaming of AFABA, or prisons, or police otherwise there are very few corporations and individuals who have interest in sports.

Some few years ago, I chanced on Lech Walesa's story of how he had gone to work in a shipping yard after being the president of Poland. And this moral impulse you're trying to advocate for hit me, and I wondered if he deserved to be in the situation. Now and then I wonder how Nyerere's frugality has helped Tanzania or Africa and I end up seeing the same thing; what matters is how an individual can secure his/her own political interest without being represented by your likes.

Otherwise, am very glad to rid my mind of your kind of thinking.
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