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albertross
#21 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 12:25:00 PM
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I do not clearly understand the supposed reasons for this strike/demo/riot,whatever it is supposed to be.

I will say this though,if I had a child at university or had contributed money for anyone to go to university and they were throwing stones or generally disturbing the peace,that signals the beginning of the end of my support for them in that regard.

Some one said here that the duty of the university administration is to make sure that strikes do not happen,that is not so. They are there to facilitate you to get the education you paid for. Prof. Mugendi may be a little dictator,but the fact is you are not there forever and she does not stop you from going to class or reading,or sitting your exams,or does she?
You have a choice,and as much as there is peer pressure and all the rest,in the end you graduate alone,not with your pals.

Just to give you an example,last year the parking fee was raised 100%,I would like to know how many cars were stoned because of that.

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mdosi
#22 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 12:31:00 PM
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@Wendz

Much as i may seem like a myth,it's true that Mogenda wants to introduce a dress code. I think she is crazy.

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alma
#23 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 12:39:00 PM
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My final contribution to this topic is this.

The administration is in charge of ensuring the safety of all the students especially those who are not on strike. They are not supposed to add fuel to the fire by coming up with their own rules of what they want....Just because they are right. After having just seen that VC twice,I can assure you that she is a pathetic people manager. You do not force your way into peoples minds,just because you are right....Cajoling and tuning are part of the admin's job.

Who in his right mind did not expect trouble from students when you tell them on Sunday that they have exams on Monday? Does she need to be a genius? It is very obvious she is not.

I am not condoning destryoing property but I believe that there are times when some things happen because of not thinking out things and expecting a different result when the whole world knows the opposite.

In your computer table it all looks very easy for the student to choose the right path and not stone cars. but who are you fooling? Peer pressure,exam pressure,money pressure,personal issues can lead to a fire in the hands of young people who's hormones are on fire. That is why you have a Dean's office. To control these fire.

As far as I can see,I expect another riot in KU if that VC now suspends everyone who was taken to court by inept police. She will no doubt charge every student for this without doing any due process and Yes,there will be another riot.

She needs to cool her horses for a while and stop making everyone an enemy. Campus riots were controlled by one man called Mbithi on his own. He would suddenly show up when people were planning on striking and everything was good after that. He would personally go to Central and get the release of students arrested by the cops. You know what,guys loved him and there were fewer riots during his tenure. It was only later that we learned that he had friends with the student leaders,cooks,stone throwers etc. He somehow knew what was going to happen before it did. But not this KU administration.

Two riots in one year is one too many and it shows a lacking administration.

That is all I have to say about this topic.
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jmichi
#24 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 12:53:00 PM
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i hav neva run 4my dea lyf lyk 2dy.i had only 1wk in ku &i b alumni.many slept in forest.if it ws nt 4the rain,ku wud b no mo.reasons 4 strike wa clea:many esp ruiru wa chargd 1k 4last demo they nw wantd to revenge.also we had 1wk to exam bt vc wantd us stat exam 2dy.bside those hu paid fee late wa nt alowd 2sit 4exam.BTW.its nt unifom bt dcent clothin.i think to some pt i sapot vc.infact the guys hu paticipatd wa les than 500.bt organzd

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mukwano
#25 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 12:59:00 PM
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your last post was too fresh! i never knew accents and body language could be typed so vividly,its like I can see you talking! pole anyway,am glad you are safe now.
Burning Spear
#26 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 1:01:00 PM
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@albertross,

am sorry but you sound an ignorant parent who burries (burry's) his head in the sand always.......it is sad and really sad.

The back stops with you as parent and the facilitators....the govt or leaders.

This thing in school has been there and will always be there if not well addressed.....just like @alma said that you will get each 100 reasons antagonising each other.this is because people dont understand the real problem.

have anyone here seen how MIT students in US dress yet it is the best college ever.

if dressing is an issue....tell them to come naked ......after all.....the parents have failed in shaping their children...it is not the college to shape you.

BTW...have u seen a family where you can't differentiate a mother and the daughter....both half naked on the street...and you expect that moral decay to be corrected in school.

the question is........do we know what is happening on the ground.if not @alberross....keep quet.

pyschology was one of my boring subjects at my undergraduate...but little did I know it forms...it will form the basis of somebody...upon understanding the human behaviour.

this reminds me of my highschool pricipal....there was a tradition that a strike was to happen every 2nd term even without enough reasons that cud hold water and form fours were participating so that they dont sit for MOCK exam....

the pricipal banned the damn exams the the following year there were no reasons 4 fourth forms to strike and there was a tradition come to an end.who lost.....its the damn students....who gained ...its the principal coz he worked magic to displine the school not by cane but intelligently.
"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
Mr.Tea
#27 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 1:12:00 PM
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Sometimes I think these strikes are a reflection of the society. How many of us feel like we would strike right now against the authorities for all the things that have gone wrong? But,we would not because of the responsibility that carries....You and I could list all the things that could push us to doing it. Having said that,there is absolutely no justification for rioting much less destruction of other people's property. It is always good to find better avenues for addressing our grievances.

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albertross
#28 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 1:26:00 PM
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Now there is a depraved mind right there.

@ Burning Spear,you would justify these characters burning down a building because they have been told that exams will start earlier then they thought?

If you at your work place,assuming you work though with an attitude like that I wonder,if the boss came in and told you the presentation that will determine your career options will be tomorrow,what would you do,go on strike,beat up the guy,or lady,or work through the night to prepare yourself.

Get a grip friend.

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nyangao
#29 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 2:13:00 PM
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I CAN TELL ALBERTROSS NEVER WENT TO ANY PUBLIC UNIVERSITY. YOU PROBABLY DONT KNOW THE STUDENTS EXPERIENCES ESPECIALLY WITH VERY LITTLE FINANCES FOR THEIR UPKEEP.JUST DONT BE BIASED IN YOUR THINKING! IF THE ADMINISTRATION WILL NOT LISTEN TO THEM,THEN THE STUDENTS SHALL LOOK FOR MEANS OF BEING HEARD ( 'ROOTING' AND RIOTING) THOUGH I DONT APPROVE OF IT. BUT WE MIMIC OUR LEADERS. JUST A THOUGHT,THESE HOOLIGANS WOULD BE THE SAME AS THOSE OF PEV

hey
McReggae
#30 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 2:18:00 PM
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albertross obviously arguing from a point of extreme ignorance of our public universities!!!!


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Magigi
#31 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 2:33:00 PM
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@Wendz: I totally agree with you that there should be some decency in the student's dress and you summarise it very succinctly when you say;

'Every work place has a dress code. May be if she used 'decency' they would understand - somehow.... what is wrong with universities having dress codes. I am not sure she is asking more than them being decent..... no tumbo-cuts,miniskirts,shorts etc. Thats how strathmore is..... May be she felt the students have gone over-board in their 'dress down'.... may be dressed down literally.'


I know you did not have guts to mention one thing,being the decent lady that you are: and that is display of thongs by ladies. I went to collect my certificate last year and was wondering to myself whether the whole university had turned into a playboy mansion!!!




ecstacy
#32 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 2:46:00 PM
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so...after all the 'rooting' & comrade power,what good have the students achieved?
Wendz
#33 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 2:47:00 PM
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@magigi

Thank God am not alone in this! I almost said exactly that.....

@Mcreg

Albertross is talking of real life experiences. so many times we have had to push our deadlines earlier than previously set. Look at farmers,who tells them when to plant? God doesnt say,'hey dude,i will make it rain on 30th March 2009 at 3.16.04pm so get your hoe and seeds ready.............' Thats real life. So,you have to adjust yourself to the timetable. And after wasting their time stoning hardworking kenyan's vehicles what did they expect? the university to adjust to their timetable and compensate for the time they lost or to adhere to the set academic timetable? Even form four students know,if they go on strike and burn their domitories,the final exams will start on 21 October each year or thereabouts.... Besides,these are full time students. what else were they expected to do if not studying? Stoning cars,looting and stealing?

Some deals are like glass. Sometimes it's better to leave them broken than try to hurt yourself putting it back together.
albertross
#34 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 2:57:00 PM
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@ Nyangao & Mcregge,you two must be the pride of your teachers,seeing how you can tell by just reading what I said that I did not go to any public university.

Just one thing is missing in your assesment,how it gives anyone,anyone the right to destroy because they are i) broke,ii) stressed out,iii) facing peer pressure or any other excuse you can think of.

Please guys keep this in perspective,the fact that I do not agree with you gives you an opportunity to argue your side of the story.

Lastly,if your 18 year old said they do not like the job you have helped them get and so because he was broke he was going to lounge at your house,pray what would you do?
And what if he started to steal from you to indulge himself?

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Kasheshi
#35 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 3:11:00 PM
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This is clearly an indication that something has gone terribly wrong with our society. From primary schools to secondary schools to campuses and the general public as a whole. Who taught us that problems are solved by violence and destruction of property? Why don't we hear of such incidents in our neighbouring countries? Clearly this is a terrible cancer that has afflicted our society. I believe there is only one solution. We must learn that all our actions have consequences. In this case if it means expelling half the students then so be it. Then maybe we will learn

R
tony stark
#36 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 3:13:00 PM
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I cant help but think about last month when some one was asking about an MBA and there was a lot busy advocating for public uni because private uni are useless .... mcreggae et al. Now the same lot is busy saying how life is hard in public uni and albertross doesnt understand how life is at public uni ..........
@mcreggae you are truly a product of .................... THE
@albertross. I agree with you the flimsy excuses we have in public uni for rioting are retrogressive and dysfunctional. But i also think that the administration taking a fixed stance and not being open to dialogue will only result to strike. The university has a duty to ensure there are channels to address the student issues.

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nanfor
#37 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 3:57:00 PM
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For those advocating for 'decent' dressing in college,why not just make every college student go to your church while at it.

The reason it's called a university is because its a place where young people go find themselves. If you want children to dress well,start at home. In the university,it is too late! And if dressing is the only thing that you think goes on there,then you need a lesson in young people's hormones. Including the hormones of those wearing long skirts.

When it comes to how people dress in college,the woman is way over her terms of employment.

Striking students are an ugly scene. It is an ugly scene because it shows exactly what is going on in our country. I wanted them arrested then I remembered the police in Kenya don't investigate anything. They enter a dorm 'huyo ni student,lete yeye hapa. Ana strike!'. So I really doubt if those who started this were ever arrested.

We have students who seem to have lost the plot. I was in that UON and never imagined burning my own dorm. That is really uncouth. I support Ida Odinga in this.

But have you seen the difference between what Ida said and that Mugendi woman said? That VC woman is only interested in punishing people before she even asks what is going on. What is she doing there? A press conference promising fire and brimestone will not stop campus riots. It infact makes them worse. I agree with alma,the admin is part of the problem in this thing. You don't tell starving people how to dress and only talk to them through the press.

This is the Kenyan society. The ones in charge thinking they know everything will not listen to anyone. The ones who are being done,decide to take the law in their own hands. In the end,no one is listening and another house is burned. This time,the politicians were not there. Only we Kenyans.

This is very sad.
As for the simplistic solution to expell all students. It seems you are very young or not well read. Campus students have been rioting and expelled forever. It has never stopped one single riot!
simonkabz
#38 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 4:39:00 PM
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Sunday,1930 Hrs: coleagues driving past Ruiru; a matatu ahead suddenly brakes n goes off the road. They brake too. Suddenly,hail of heavy stones/rocks,an ambush! Windshield n windows smashed,body badly dented....the 4dudes drive slowly,at night,as they count their losses....to Nanyuki....

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nyangao
#39 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 6:59:00 PM
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Lets not generalise the issue.when a handful of hooligans meticulously organise the 'riots'and i believe most are free walkin in their homes,most inocent students are caught flat footed in the campus compound then we blame the all students.

hey
oga.meno
#40 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2009 7:05:00 PM
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Dialogue in education!

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