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Affordable mortgage, can this work?
obiero
#11 Posted : Saturday, March 01, 2014 5:20:09 PM
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digitek1 wrote:
vky wrote:
obiero wrote:
I already shared such an offer right here on wazua and got one interested partner. It is working for me.. www.wazua.co.ke/forum.as...osts&t=16734&p=8

similar concept but method and execution is inverse of what you have but its all good we need such strategies to make property affordable.

@a4architect, my thoughts exactly, using a personal loan as opposed to a mortgage would work well, say, @obiero decides to sell his nyayo estate house at 6m, @vky is interested in the house but can not meet the requirements of a 6m mortgage but has access to a personal loan facility of upto 2m, vky can opt to buy 25% of obiero's house for 1.5m and also pay obiero a monthly reduced rent of 14000 if the normal rental rates are 28000, vky clears the personal loan in five years then takes out another personal loan to buy the next 25% till he gets to fully owning the house.
this arrangement would last 20yrs or less with obiero getting 1.5m every 5 years plus reduced rental yield over the entire tenure of the agreement

Shame on you Shame on you after the first five years the house value has gone up so the next 25% is much higher... no savings here

investment income would also go up as a result of increased rent.. there is definitely some savings
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MaichBlack
#12 Posted : Saturday, March 01, 2014 5:29:02 PM
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digitek1 wrote:
vky wrote:
obiero wrote:
I already shared such an offer right here on wazua and got one interested partner. It is working for me.. www.wazua.co.ke/forum.as...osts&t=16734&p=8

similar concept but method and execution is inverse of what you have but its all good we need such strategies to make property affordable.

@a4architect, my thoughts exactly, using a personal loan as opposed to a mortgage would work well, say, @obiero decides to sell his nyayo estate house at 6m, @vky is interested in the house but can not meet the requirements of a 6m mortgage but has access to a personal loan facility of upto 2m, vky can opt to buy 25% of obiero's house for 1.5m and also pay obiero a monthly reduced rent of 14000 if the normal rental rates are 28000, vky clears the personal loan in five years then takes out another personal loan to buy the next 25% till he gets to fully owning the house.
this arrangement would last 20yrs or less with obiero getting 1.5m every 5 years plus reduced rental yield over the entire tenure of the agreement

Shame on you Shame on you after the first five years the house value has gone up so the next 25% is much higher... no savings here

The price of the house is agreed on at the beginning and is not changed. If it is 6m you pay 1.5m four times or 2m twice. Seller's benefit? Rent before you finish paying for the house. If rent was 28k, after paying the first 25%, your rent becomes 21k. So you'll pay the seller 21k * 12 * 5 = 180k before you can pay for the next 25% and the cycle goes on and on. This 180k doesn't count as payment for the purchase of the house. It is rent for the 75% of the house you DON'T own!

Why this my not work in Kenya. In the west, under normal circumstances (ignoring the property market crash which was a special case), there are no crazy swings in terms of property prizes and rents. In Kenya on the other hand, the prizes of land and houses increases at crazy rates and only a confused property owner would agree to such an arrangement. I'd rather continue getting 100% rent and then sell the house at double the price in a couple of years - lump sum! Win - win! More rent, more lump sum. And in the mean time I would have increased the rent a couple of times.

I would NEVER sell my property in Kenya under such an arrangement!! But if there is anyone willing to sell me his property on the same arrangement, bring it on. Even if you quote an above market rate price, I'll still come out as the winner! Any sellers???
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
vky
#13 Posted : Saturday, March 01, 2014 5:29:53 PM
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digitek1 wrote:
vky wrote:
obiero wrote:
I already shared such an offer right here on wazua and got one interested partner. It is working for me.. www.wazua.co.ke/forum.as...osts&t=16734&p=8

similar concept but method and execution is inverse of what you have but its all good we need such strategies to make property affordable.

@a4architect, my thoughts exactly, using a personal loan as opposed to a mortgage would work well, say, @obiero decides to sell his nyayo estate house at 6m, @vky is interested in the house but can not meet the requirements of a 6m mortgage but has access to a personal loan facility of upto 2m, vky can opt to buy 25% of obiero's house for 1.5m and also pay obiero a monthly reduced rent of 14000 if the normal rental rates are 28000, vky clears the personal loan in five years then takes out another personal loan to buy the next 25% till he gets to fully owning the house.
this arrangement would last 20yrs or less with obiero getting 1.5m every 5 years plus reduced rental yield over the entire tenure of the agreement

Shame on you Shame on you after the first five years the house value has gone up so the next 25% is much higher... no savings here

@digitek when you take a mortgage the bank will not after five years say that since the value of the property has gone up your mortgage repayments also go up, the above is a contract that all the parties involved are agreeable to the terms and the value of the house at the time of contracting will not change however, what will change is the rent payable as determined by market rates less the percentage of ownership
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MaichBlack
#14 Posted : Saturday, March 01, 2014 5:50:33 PM
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@digitek1 - There is nowhere in the world one would allow the seller to quote a NEW price for 75% of a property one has already paid 25% for under an older price. It would be a receipe for the mother of all disasters!!! You would be at the mercy of the seller and without much negotiating power.

All the seller would need to do is (assuming the original price is 6m) take you 1.5m or 3m and invest it as you are busy paying off the loan + interest + rent. When time comes for the next slice, he (re)values the house ridiculously - say 30m. You either pay up or ask for your 1.5m or 3m back. Either way, you are screwed!! You basically borrowed money for the seller - you pay the interest, he keeps the interest on investment. Tafakari hayo. The seller will then wait for the next sucker and repeat the process.

The only way out is to agree on the annual percentage increase on valuation from the onset and work it into the agreement! The seller might not agree to that though if you have the option to back out because if prices crash, all you'll have to do is back out and ask for your money back and go buy a cheaper property. The seller bears all the risk with virtually no protection.

This is a tough one for Kenya!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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