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Mumias Sugar huge demand
mwekez@ji
#501 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 12:05:36 PM
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smile
mkeiy
#502 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 12:49:30 PM
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cyruskulei wrote:
the deal wrote:
COMESA 1 year extension=what can MSC achieve in 1 year which it has failed to achieve over the last 5 years?

Investors being offered an escape route...I would advice an exit here.



We will buy this counter at 1 bob. Just watch.



@cyrus, When will that be and why would you JUST wait to buy at 1 bob?
streetwise
#503 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 12:53:54 PM
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That time will not come...remember politics and economics are intertwined. So who will not extend the safeguard or lift it when the time right !.
FUNKY
#504 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 1:58:32 PM
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Supply already dried out.
Aguytrying
#505 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 2:27:24 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
smile


Oh happy day, Zetu tu ni ma ten percentsmile
I knew this day would come. Next share is KENGEN.
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poundfoolish
#506 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 2:47:09 PM
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Now that its on a roll. We need to know when to exit... then later come back ofcause. because next year it will be discussions about COMESA all over again.

How quick and seriously they take up on TARDA will be a major factor. Then there is the matter of the quick maturing variety cane with a short maturity span.

They also need to work on their internal inefficiencies.

The GoK could also help by indicating that it knows the other COMESA countries only import Brazilian sugar and repackage it.

On another note. I discovered that a tonne of jaggery, a byproduct of sugarcane sells at 3 times the price of similar size of sugarcane.
Aguytrying
#507 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 2:51:09 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:

@Mwekez@ji. Welcome to my next bus.

Asante @Aguy #MakingMoney2014




Now the driver is speeding very fast, not stopping for passengers. Im not a driver here, just a keen passenger
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streetwise
#508 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 2:54:49 PM
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The feeling is always worse for me whne a share is accerating up at this this rate than when crashes. Ask me why...answer a crash create an opportunity..
Aguytrying
#509 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 2:57:14 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Why I'm buying mumias at 3.30-2.50.

Ever since Kdro left, mumias has been on a downward spiral. I've gone through this thread. when it was started mumias was at 6-8 bob. this was before the profit warning and 2b loss.
There are two people who know the truth about mumias here and you know them. you May know the obvious one but there's another one.

Anyway I'm buying mumias for the recovery. how do I know there will be a recovery?
the NAV is 9.00 bob. the company made a small loss last fy. yes small. compare with kq, kk. the issue was primarily lower cane deliveries and something one of the two said.
The recovery in profits began in H2 2012-2013 fy. cane deliveries according to KNBS(thanks Cde) have picked up in 2013 especially june onwards.

The management (I don't trust so much) are under fire from shareholders and kakamega religious leaders to leave office. what more motivation does one need. they have even vowed to return to profitability, they have to. or else. Ill join the religious leaders in having them out.

If cane deliveries are good and the miller is efficient it will turn a profit. good cane deliveries also improves the co-generation, ethanol production and water. all which are full fledged this fy.

Are there risks?
yes plenty. first of comesa safeguards lifting is impending in march.
The way I see it. its a threat ad well as an opportunity. cheap imports if not regulated will leave mumias with nowhere to sell the sugar it produces, something that happened last year to some extent.
Gov can't let mumias die. why? they recently injected 500m into the company. They were quoted as saying they can't let the company die under their watch. the company is responsible for the livelihood of many people in western kenya. the efforts in shielding the company are already being seen with new regulations about tightening registration of import companies and distribution.
one way or another mumias will thrive post comesa, even if not at its former glory.
omnicane a new entrant has taken a masive loan 10b shillings to start a miller in kenya a few months back. that tells you there's money to be made in sugar buisness, though they will grow their own cane. but still they are investing billions just before the safeguards are lifted. This safeguards thing may not be as debilitating as it is thought to be.

More risks. falling international sugar prices. causing millers to shut in brazil in India. basically there's oversupply of sugar in the world with cost of sugar lower than production cost. But mumias doesn't export sugar. the risk is that cheap sugar can be sold here and lower sugar prices here in Kenya. Mumias can also import sugar and sell it here, infact last year they imported 10,000 tones. its in the FY report for 2013. I need clarification on effect of low sugar prices on mumias sales. @thedeal. help.

Opportunity? yes . the smaller millers are unlikely to survive post safeguards and mumias should buy these firms out. infact its one of the conditions that warranted an extension. mumias is in the process of shifting its farmers to the fast maturing cane.
today I read that the vision 2030 1 million acre self irrigated farming project in kilfi, tana will have 300,000 acres dedicated to sugar. how I wish that can be under mumias somehow.

So, that's why im buying Mumias.

The cartoons according to senior chartist hisah point downwards, but i think we near the bottom.
On recovery I dont see any reason i cant sell this share at 10.00 in maybe 2-3 years.

Sugar gurus and other gurus please let me know your thoughts. Tu wazue pamoja


Too soon? smile ( to post this)
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nashx
#510 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 3:10:16 PM
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@ streetwise Very True...luckily I am passenger in this one...
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#511 Posted : Sunday, March 02, 2014 4:38:16 PM
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hmmm
#512 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 10:52:20 AM
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This bus is moving at full speed. Just wondering about the "optimal" time to alight.
jawgey
#513 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 11:27:08 AM
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hmmm wrote:
This bus is moving at full speed. Just wondering about the "optimal" time to alight.


My target price, 6 or 7..Am sensing a reversal very soon...Pray
Seeing is believing
VituVingiSana
#514 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 11:38:26 AM
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poundfoolish wrote:
Now that its on a roll. We need to know when to exit... then later come back ofcause. because next year it will be discussions about COMESA all over again.

How quick and seriously they take up on TARDA will be a major factor. Then there is the matter of the quick maturing variety cane with a short maturity span.

They also need to work on their internal inefficiencies.

The GoK could also help by indicating that it knows the other COMESA countries only import Brazilian sugar and repackage it.

On another note. I discovered that a tonne of jaggery, a byproduct of sugarcane sells at 3 times the price of similar size of sugarcane.

1) So which fool will buy when you exit? And why would they be foolish enough to buy when you are selling?
2) GoK should allow Kenyans to import sugar from Brazil & re-package & re-sell to other COMESA countries with sugar deficits!
3) Until Kenyan firms become efficient, they will be leeches on the Kenyan sugar consumer.
4) Jaggery is processed from sugarcane. Please give us additional information e.g. cost of processing [from harvested sugarcane to delivery to a supermarket]. All agricultural products that need processing sell at a premium to the 'raw material' including coffee you drink vs ripe coffee beans OR Tea you drink vs Tea Leaves OR chocolate you eat vs Cocoa Beans in the Pods.
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mypesa
#515 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 11:38:42 AM
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jawgey wrote:
hmmm wrote:
This bus is moving at full speed. Just wondering about the "optimal" time to alight.


My target price, 6 or 7..Am sensing a reversal very soon...Pray

Bolting out has began as supply builds up .
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poundfoolish
#516 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 12:29:00 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
Now that its on a roll. We need to know when to exit... then later come back ofcause. because next year it will be discussions about COMESA all over again.

How quick and seriously they take up on TARDA will be a major factor. Then there is the matter of the quick maturing variety cane with a short maturity span.

They also need to work on their internal inefficiencies.

The GoK could also help by indicating that it knows the other COMESA countries only import Brazilian sugar and repackage it.

On another note. I discovered that a tonne of jaggery, a byproduct of sugarcane sells at 3 times the price of similar size of sugarcane.

1) So which fool will buy when you exit? And why would they be foolish enough to buy when you are selling?
2) GoK should allow Kenyans to import sugar from Brazil & re-package & re-sell to other COMESA countries with sugar deficits!
3) Until Kenyan firms become efficient, they will be leeches on the Kenyan sugar consumer.
4) Jaggery is processed from sugarcane. Please give us additional information e.g. cost of processing [from harvested sugarcane to delivery to a supermarket]. All agricultural products that need processing sell at a premium to the 'raw material' including coffee you drink vs ripe coffee beans OR Tea you drink vs Tea Leaves OR chocolate you eat vs Cocoa Beans in the Pods.



I am not planning to sell to a fool. It is just my exit target(cutting on risks, this is Kenya). I am planning to sell to wealthier investors who are seeing the opportunities in TARDA. Infact right now i'm thinking of where to buy land in Coast, If they decide to do large scale farming. mimi ndani.

I will jump in again when the trajectory is picking. But you can be assured, ceteris paribus, they will be making money even this next financial year. The hole Qidero left is the problem. once it is filled. MSC will be making Billion profit.

Sorry, i ment molasses not jaggery.. Molasses the by product fetches more than the sugarcane itself.. which tells you the amount of inefficiency at these firms.

some villagers would sell their cane to 'those guys' other than millers.. but ofcause they middlemen would never tell how much they sold to final buyers.
If the millers continue with the inefficiency, I shall also start supplying directly to these other fellows.
poundfoolish
#517 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 1:02:21 PM
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jawgey wrote:
hmmm wrote:
This bus is moving at full speed. Just wondering about the "optimal" time to alight.


My target price, 6 or 7..Am sensing a reversal very soon...Pray


Some have already made their kill and are leaving. some, panicking, shall follow suit as they see the reversal.

I shall await..
VituVingiSana
#518 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 1:25:14 PM
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@poundfoolish - Isn't molasses a by-product of Sugar processing AFTER the sugar/sucrose has extracted? So the molasses is a 'concentrated' form of 'sugar' [or whatever the sweet stuff i molasses is called]
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#519 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 2:04:06 PM
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poundfoolish wrote:
jawgey wrote:
hmmm wrote:
This bus is moving at full speed. Just wondering about the "optimal" time to alight.


My target price, 6 or 7..Am sensing a reversal very soon...Pray


Some have already made their kill and are leaving. some, panicking, shall follow suit as they see the reversal.

I shall await..

the capital gains in one week from ksh 3 to ksh represent 33% and that is too sweet to hold on had I had online trading account I could have booked my gains too.
fear makes people live a miserable life.
jawgey
#520 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 2:09:29 PM
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stockshunter wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
jawgey wrote:
hmmm wrote:
This bus is moving at full speed. Just wondering about the "optimal" time to alight.


My target price, 6 or 7..Am sensing a reversal very soon...Pray


Some have already made their kill and are leaving. some, panicking, shall follow suit as they see the reversal.

I shall await..

the capital gains in one week from ksh 3 to ksh represent 33% and that is too sweet to hold on had I had online trading account I could have booked my gains too.


With my level of greed I would hate an online account.
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