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Lolest! wrote:and we bigots do love these gays. Just like the bible commands. And just like we love robbers, rapists etc. We just hate what they stand for and do It is your choice to be a bigot. Why not let others be, as well? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Let freedom reign. I thought bedroom issues are private. work to prosper
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Wakanyugi wrote:Quote:
Our constitution clearly bars anyone one from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
The Bible commands us to love one another, that includes gays, blacks, robbers etc.
Don't these words mean anything?
You tell us!The two statements are rhetorical - I am neither a Christian nor a constitutional expert. But I would certainly like to see our resident bigots try to spin their way out of the Biblical injunction by Jesus, to 'love one another' and how this squares with their hatred of Gay people. Just for entertainment, mind you.  Gayism is a proselytizing religion. I watched binyavanga say he saw a head boy humiliated for being gay and he (the head boy) took it in stride and got his cert and went on with his life. He (binyavanga) admired that. He wanted to say 'hi' to him. etc. The (gay) boys actions played a role in his decision to make the relevant decision. What is that but conversion? Like someone would tell you Jesus's actions should play a role in your decision to make the relevant decision - which will be to follow him. How do you usually feel when christian preachers (yes fake or not) approach you to talk to you about something that is very personal and dear to them? That! Religion aside, a criminal is someone who does something that is against the law. A bigamist is a criminal where they have that law. A gay is a criminal where they have that law. Which brings Africans (yes albeit sometimes misguided in religion) to ask, is the law about bigamy superior to the one against gays? Is Americas laws superior to theirs? Is the white mans ways superior to theirs? I am sure if there was no bigamy law, their concerns would be flimsy. Insignificant. Irrelevant.
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 ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Muriel wrote:
Gayism is a proselytizing religion.
I watched binyavanga say he saw a head boy humiliated for being gay and he (the head boy) took it in stride and got his cert and went on with his life. He (binyavanga) admired that. He wanted to say 'hi' to him. etc. The (gay) boys actions played a role in his decision to make the relevant decision. What is that but conversion? Like someone would tell you Jesus's actions should play a role in your decision to make the relevant decision - which will be to follow him.
How do you usually feel when christian preachers (yes fake or not) approach you to talk to you about something that is very personal and dear to them? That!
Religion aside, a criminal is someone who does something that is against the law. A bigamist is a criminal where they have that law. A gay is a criminal where they have that law. Which brings Africans (yes albeit sometimes misguided in religion) to ask, is the law about bigamy superior to the one against gays? Is Americas laws superior to theirs? Is the white mans ways superior to theirs? I am sure if there was no bigamy law, their concerns would be flimsy. Insignificant. Irrelevant.
Good attempt at spin, but it doesn't convince me. Binyavanga did not become gay because he admired a gay prefect, unless you and I watched different clips. He clearly says he knew he was gay from a young age. I may not like Christians proselytizing to me, but that is their right as human beings. I will certainly not demand that they be locked up. So Gayism is a crime where the law has said it is, as it did this week in Uganda? Does such reverse criminalization work in all cases or only for those people you hate? For instance, in some Muslim countries converting into a Christian is clearly illegal. That is OK then? My central argument, and my beef with Christian fundamentalists, is this: if you claim to follow the teachings of Jesus, then you should follow all of them, not just those that make you comfortable. The golden rule features right at the top for me. I don't remember Jesus saying ' Love your neighbor, unless he is gay.' "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:
Gayism is a proselytizing religion.
I watched binyavanga say he saw a head boy humiliated for being gay and he (the head boy) took it in stride and got his cert and went on with his life. He (binyavanga) admired that. He wanted to say 'hi' to him. etc. The (gay) boys actions played a role in his decision to make the relevant decision. What is that but conversion? Like someone would tell you Jesus's actions should play a role in your decision to make the relevant decision - which will be to follow him.
How do you usually feel when christian preachers (yes fake or not) approach you to talk to you about something that is very personal and dear to them? That!
Religion aside, a criminal is someone who does something that is against the law. A bigamist is a criminal where they have that law. A gay is a criminal where they have that law. Which brings Africans (yes albeit sometimes misguided in religion) to ask, is the law about bigamy superior to the one against gays? Is Americas laws superior to theirs? Is the white mans ways superior to theirs? I am sure if there was no bigamy law, their concerns would be flimsy. Insignificant. Irrelevant.
Good attempt at spin, but it doesn't convince me. Binyavanga did not become gay because he admired a gay prefect, unless you and I watched different clips. He clearly says he knew he was gay from a young age. I may not like Christians proselytizing to me, but that is their right as human beings. I will certainly not demand that they be locked up. So Gayism is a crime where the law has said it is, as it did this week in Uganda? Does such reverse criminalization work in all cases or only for those people you hate? For instance, in some Muslim countries converting into a Christian is clearly illegal. That is OK then? My central argument, and my beef with Christian fundamentalists, is this: if you claim to follow the teachings of Jesus, then you should follow all of them, not just those that make you comfortable. The golden rule features right at the top for me. I don't remember Jesus saying ' Love your neighbor, unless he is gay.' Perhaps you and I did not watch the same clip. That is why I thought I wrote ',,,,,,, played a role,,,,,'. I did. Surely that is different from the 'because' as you say? Si iko tofauti? Is this the spin you are referring to? lol. Now when it comes to matters of 'like' as in 'I may not like christians proselytizing,,,,,' there is really no way it can be canned into a universally acceptable form. One may launch a counter verbal or physical blitz while the other will ignore while yet another politely decline. The one who politely declines is no less emphatic than the one gets violent. You are no less emphatic in your opinion than Hamburglar, for instance. Anyway, I agree that if one claims to follow the teachings of Jesus, then he should follow all of them without exception. Most christians are not fundamentalists just choosy. Love the Lord ,,,,,,, your neighbour as you love yourself is a summary, the sum-up, compaction of the 10 commands. Its good to have it - hence them - feature at the top. You and I might not be so different after all seeing that this also features at the top for me and I also have beef with certain christians. Oh, about the muslims, I understand christians there are in the closet, as it were. This tactic gets my 100% approval. I would do it that way if I were there.
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Muriel wrote:
Now when it comes to matters of 'like' as in 'I may not like christians proselytizing,,,,,' there is really no way it can be canned into a universally acceptable form. One may launch a counter verbal or physical blitz while the other will ignore while yet another politely decline. The one who politely declines is no less emphatic than the one gets violent. You are no less emphatic in your opinion than Hamburglar, for instance.
Anyway, I agree that if one claims to follow the teachings of Jesus, then he should follow all of them without exception.
Most christians are not fundamentalists just choosy.
Love the Lord ,,,,,,, your neighbour as you love yourself is a summary, the sum-up, compaction of the 10 commands. Its good to have it - hence them - feature at the top. You and I might not be so different after all seeing that this also features at the top for me and I also have beef with certain christians.
Oh, about the muslims, I understand christians there are in the closet, as it were. This tactic gets my 100% approval. I would do it that way if I were there.
Good points above. I think we can agree on this. Let us not criminalize people who, either by choice or genetics, which ever way you look at Gayism, are different from us. If a Gay person commits a crime he/she should be dealt with the same way as any other Kenyan. But being Gay is not a crime, anymore than being Black is, and trying to make it so is just plain wrong. It would be a terrible waste of energy if our MP's were to distract the nation's attention in a futile attempt to police Kenyans bedroom behavior. As someone said already, we have bigger problems to address. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Wakanyugi wrote:Lolest! wrote:and we bigots do love these gays. Just like the bible commands. And just like we love robbers, rapists etc. We just hate what they stand for and do It is your choice to be a bigot. Why not let others be, as well? I am a bigot because you branded us that way. I think this makes you a bigot too for in failing to agree with you we have earned your wrath. Why not let us be, with our laws just as we allow the Europeans and Americans?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:
Now when it comes to matters of 'like' as in 'I may not like christians proselytizing,,,,,' there is really no way it can be canned into a universally acceptable form. One may launch a counter verbal or physical blitz while the other will ignore while yet another politely decline. The one who politely declines is no less emphatic than the one gets violent. You are no less emphatic in your opinion than Hamburglar, for instance.
Anyway, I agree that if one claims to follow the teachings of Jesus, then he should follow all of them without exception.
Most christians are not fundamentalists just choosy.
Love the Lord ,,,,,,, your neighbour as you love yourself is a summary, the sum-up, compaction of the 10 commands. Its good to have it - hence them - feature at the top. You and I might not be so different after all seeing that this also features at the top for me and I also have beef with certain christians.
Oh, about the muslims, I understand christians there are in the closet, as it were. This tactic gets my 100% approval. I would do it that way if I were there.
Good points above. I think we can agree on this. Let us not criminalize people who, either by choice or genetics, which ever way you look at Gayism, are different from us. If a Gay person commits a crime he/she should be dealt with the same way as any other Kenyan. But being Gay is not a crime, anymore than being Black is, and trying to make it so is just plain wrong. It would be a terrible waste of energy if our MP's were to distract the nation's attention in a futile attempt to police Kenyans bedroom behavior. As someone said already, we have bigger problems to address. Yes, 'criminilization' as in bringing in the civil authorities in matters of conscience will hardly help the way the framers would like. After all, even capital punishment has not forestalled murder. Proselytization by its nature will attract resistance. a) Gays will face stiff resistance from anti-gay christians (and muslims), b) christians in turn face stiff resistance from anti christians e.g. muslims and you, c) hapless muslims like AlphDoti will face stiff resistance from strong anti-muslims. Its all in a days work when it comes to proselytization. On the flip side, ability to thrive under resistance is a major plus for christianity. Look, civil authorities and their capital punishment have not forestalled christinization in arabia. Anyway, this can be our common ground for agreement and dialogue - hopefully - but not like the one I have with Tycho that makes both of us get accused unfairly. Wrongly. 
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my personal experience being called a nigger and being treated as such taught me never to judge anyone but by the content of their character. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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