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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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With the Taxes coming up everyday, dont be surprised if one county govt starts taxing grandmothers on all the money they are given by their children. Didn't I hear even harambees will soon be taxed? In a harambee situation, has one "earned" that money in the strict sense?
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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jguru wrote:he he he Interesting that Accountants and Tax Consultants cannot agree on how much a lady with an income of KES50,000 should pay. Imagine the chaos when the income is 50 Million! No wonder big companies like Nakumatt do not pay tax... Its difficult dealing with tax consultants and auditors who dont have any accounting experience.Most of them graduated from campus or college and headed direct to be either tax consultants or auditors. Auditors are the worst coz they only have the theoritical knowledge. I think we should have a requirement that before you specialize in any accounting speciality you should have practically accounting experience first If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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jguru wrote:he he he Interesting that Accountants, Auditors and Tax Consultants cannot agree on how much a lady with an income of KES50,000 should pay. Imagine the chaos when the income is 50 Million! No wonder big companies like Nakumatt do not pay tax... , considering this is a straight forward case with very well defined income streams - what happens to the typical kenyan mwanabiashara; one who owns some rental mikokotenis, an old truck that he probably services himself, a few mpesa joints, a mitumba stall, offers mujengo consultancy services, has an escort agency, mc's at local functions, is a ghost kanjo employee ...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Kusadikika wrote:A woman has a garden on which she grows mboga and rears cows. From the milk and mboga proceeds she nets about Ksh. 10,000 per month. She also has some rental houses that bring in another Ksh. 15,000. She has 5 grown children who each give her Ksh. 5,000 every month. All for a total of Ksh. 50,000 per month.
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According to KRA (For taxation purposes) what is her income? Are all monies received considered income?
Naomba kufunzwa. Farming and Rental will be taxed. Tax on the two streams is computed separately (separate sourced) and she will not be allowed to offset losses from one to another. If her tax liability is KShs 40k or more in the year she will be required to pay tax quarterly. If less, she can pay by 20th April the next year. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/13/2014 Posts: 386 Location: Denmark
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jguru wrote:he he he Interesting that Accountants, Auditors and Tax Consultants cannot agree on how much a lady with an income of KES50,000 should pay. Imagine the chaos when the income is 50 Million! No wonder big companies like Nakumatt do not pay tax... Seeing is believing
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,702
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Nashukuru sana. So according to many of you except Gathige, KRA has no clause on gift giving? No limits?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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Kusadikika wrote:Nashukuru sana. So according to many of you except Gathige, KRA has no clause on gift giving? No limits? According to the income tax Act,non cash benefits will be taxed if the income is more than shs 36000 p.a. The question is at what circumstance was the gift issued?If it was not in the course of business or employment such as dowry,then it is not taxable. The court also stopped KRA from taxing windfall gains. For the above query the income taxable is business and farming income at the graduated scale rates. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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PeterReborn wrote: For the above query the income taxable is business and farming income at the graduated scale rates.
Kindly, Calculated together(Combined Gross Income from both) or Seperately,( A separate graduated scale for farming and another for rental), If the former what is the lowest rate (we have been advised the highest is 20%)? A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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jguru wrote:he he he Interesting that Accountants, Auditors and Tax Consultants cannot agree on how much a lady with an income of KES50,000 should pay. Imagine the chaos when the income is 50 Million! No wonder big companies like Nakumatt do not pay tax... why the assumption that the respondents fall under those jobs?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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jguru wrote:he he he Interesting that Accountants, Auditors and Tax Consultants cannot agree on how much a lady with an income of KES50,000 should pay. Imagine the chaos when the income is 50 Million! No wonder big companies like Nakumatt do not pay tax... i hope this is not mirrored kwa njiraini Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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Much Know wrote:PeterReborn wrote: For the above query the income taxable is business and farming income at the graduated scale rates.
Kindly, Calculated together(Combined Gross Income from both) or Seperately,( A separate graduated scale for farming and another for rental), If the former what is the lowest rate (we have been advised the highest is 20%)? Taxation in Kenya depends on whether its a corporate or individual and also whether resident or non resident. The two will be taxed separately.For both the rental and farming income you need to deduct the allowable deductions.The tax will be based on the net amounts. For rental income the resident individuals will be taxed through the graduated scale rates.If resident companies,charged at a flat rate of 30% and if non resident,a withholding tax of 30% on gross amount will be applicable. Net farming income will be added as other incomes and computed through the graduated scale rates. If there was any tax paid at the source ie withholding tax and installment tax,then that tax will be deducted from the total tax payable. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,702
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PeterReborn wrote:Much Know wrote:PeterReborn wrote: For the above query the income taxable is business and farming income at the graduated scale rates.
Kindly, Calculated together(Combined Gross Income from both) or Seperately,( A separate graduated scale for farming and another for rental), If the former what is the lowest rate (we have been advised the highest is 20%)? Taxation in Kenya depends on whether its a corporate or individual and also whether resident or non resident. The two will be taxed separately.For both the rental and farming income you need to deduct the allowable deductions.The tax will be based on the net amounts. For rental income the resident individuals will be taxed through the graduated scale rates.If resident companies,charged at a flat rate of 30% and if non resident,a withholding tax of 30% on gross amount will be applicable. Net farming income will be added as other incomes and computed through the graduated scale rates. If there was any tax paid at the source ie withholding tax and installment tax,then that tax will be deducted from the total tax payable. Asante sana PeterReborn. Much appreciated.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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Kusadikika wrote:PeterReborn wrote:Much Know wrote:PeterReborn wrote: For the above query the income taxable is business and farming income at the graduated scale rates.
Kindly, Calculated together(Combined Gross Income from both) or Seperately,( A separate graduated scale for farming and another for rental), If the former what is the lowest rate (we have been advised the highest is 20%)? Taxation in Kenya depends on whether its a corporate or individual and also whether resident or non resident. The two will be taxed separately.For both the rental and farming income you need to deduct the allowable deductions.The tax will be based on the net amounts. For rental income the resident individuals will be taxed through the graduated scale rates.If resident companies,charged at a flat rate of 30% and if non resident,a withholding tax of 30% on gross amount will be applicable. Net farming income will be added as other incomes and computed through the graduated scale rates. If there was any tax paid at the source ie withholding tax and installment tax,then that tax will be deducted from the total tax payable. Asante sana PeterReborn. Much appreciated. Karibu sana @Kusadikika. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Fpr guys working in diaspora but are resident/Nationals of Kenya,do they file KRa returns? If yes, if your country (e.g Uk) have DTA with Kenya,how do you file the returns? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/17/2010 Posts: 572
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tax experts, consultants, what happens in the following scenario; setting up a small biz, biz will deal in goods attracting VAT, now, the VAT Act sets the amount of revenue a biz requires so as to be registered for VAT at over 5m per year, this biz will not generate enough revenue to meet the 5m threshold by VAT Act at least for two years of operation, when i asked two different KRA guys who both deal with VAT, about the above, they both said i should register without regard to what the Act says. should i go with what the law says or should i register for VAT without meeting the set threshold, is that even possible 'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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vky wrote:tax experts, consultants, what happens in the following scenario;
setting up a small biz, biz will deal in goods attracting VAT, now, the VAT Act sets the amount of revenue a biz requires so as to be registered for VAT at over 5m per year, this biz will not generate enough revenue to meet the 5m threshold by VAT Act at least for two years of operation, when i asked two different KRA guys who both deal with VAT, about the above, they both said i should register without regard to what the Act says. should i go with what the law says or should i register for VAT without meeting the set threshold, is that even possible No need to register but you will have to pay ToT if your annual gross revenue is above 500k and below 5m If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Swenani wrote:vky wrote:tax experts, consultants, what happens in the following scenario;
setting up a small biz, biz will deal in goods attracting VAT, now, the VAT Act sets the amount of revenue a biz requires so as to be registered for VAT at over 5m per year, this biz will not generate enough revenue to meet the 5m threshold by VAT Act at least for two years of operation, when i asked two different KRA guys who both deal with VAT, about the above, they both said i should register without regard to what the Act says. should i go with what the law says or should i register for VAT without meeting the set threshold, is that even possible No need to register but you will have to pay ToT if your annual gross revenue is above 500k and below 5m Has to remember that ToT is N/A if set up as a limited company. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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sparkly wrote:Swenani wrote:vky wrote:tax experts, consultants, what happens in the following scenario;
setting up a small biz, biz will deal in goods attracting VAT, now, the VAT Act sets the amount of revenue a biz requires so as to be registered for VAT at over 5m per year, this biz will not generate enough revenue to meet the 5m threshold by VAT Act at least for two years of operation, when i asked two different KRA guys who both deal with VAT, about the above, they both said i should register without regard to what the Act says. should i go with what the law says or should i register for VAT without meeting the set threshold, is that even possible No need to register but you will have to pay ToT if your annual gross revenue is above 500k and below 5m Has to remember that ToT is N/A if set up as a limited company. Quote:For TOT purposes, " Business" includes any trade, profession or vocation, and every manufacture, adventure and concern in the nature of trade, but does not include: (i) employment income (ii) exempt incomes falling under the I"Schedule of the Income Tax Act _i) business incomes subject to a final Withholding tax i.e. Bank interest,divindents, Incomes earned from government bonds & treasury bills, payments made to non-residents (iv) Persons in receipt of business Incomes but with annual turnover below Kshs. 500,000- (v) limited companies (vi) Rental Income (vii) Professional, management fees If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/12/2016 Posts: 22
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vky wrote:tax experts, consultants, what happens in the following scenario;
setting up a small biz, biz will deal in goods attracting VAT, now, the VAT Act sets the amount of revenue a biz requires so as to be registered for VAT at over 5m per year, this biz will not generate enough revenue to meet the 5m threshold by VAT Act at least for two years of operation, when i asked two different KRA guys who both deal with VAT, about the above, they both said i should register without regard to what the Act says. should i go with what the law says or should i register for VAT without meeting the set threshold, is that even possible Start the biashara as a limited company with only the income tax obligation. since your annual turnover is not likely to be over 5m you dont need to register for VAT and since its a ltd co no need for TOT. If you pay your self a salary note it will be liable to PAYE. Profits will be liable to tax at 30% TOT scenario- your gross revenue will be liable to tax at 3% which is a final tax. As this is taxed on revenues, you may be paying to the tax man more than you probably ought to since expense are not allowable. This is however more simplified since you pay on gross and spend the rest vile unataka. In both scenarios when your annual revenues hit 5m you will have to register for VAT.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2016 Posts: 225
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bennry wrote:vky wrote:tax experts, consultants, what happens in the following scenario;
setting up a small biz, biz will deal in goods attracting VAT, now, the VAT Act sets the amount of revenue a biz requires so as to be registered for VAT at over 5m per year, this biz will not generate enough revenue to meet the 5m threshold by VAT Act at least for two years of operation, when i asked two different KRA guys who both deal with VAT, about the above, they both said i should register without regard to what the Act says. should i go with what the law says or should i register for VAT without meeting the set threshold, is that even possible Start the biashara as a limited company with only the income tax obligation. since your annual turnover is not likely to be over 5m you dont need to register for VAT and since its a ltd co no need for TOT. If you pay your self a salary note it will be liable to PAYE. Profits will be liable to tax at 30% TOT scenario- your gross revenue will be liable to tax at 3% which is a final tax. As this is taxed on revenues, you may be paying to the tax man more than you probably ought to since expense are not allowable. This is however more simplified since you pay on gross and spend the rest vile unataka. In both scenarios when your annual revenues hit 5m you will have to register for VAT. @Bennry, what if you dont have VAT obligation and you deliver services but the end user,lets say Company X, which is appointed on behalf of KRA as Withholding VAT agent withholds VAT and pays you less 6% ? Reflection Eternal
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