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USAID to topple the Kenyan Government
murchr
#151 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 7:31:53 PM
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alma wrote:
murchr wrote:
Amores wrote:
This is probably USAID funding (and the government has info)and may not necessarily be coming in to topple the government tomorrow, but of course there is an agenda.The way it works is that, NGOs/ civil societies write a proposal to say EC or USAID (these are big donors for this kind of yada yada)They call it “enlarging democratic space and enhancing good governance”
That is where you throw in all the BS about multi-stakeholder workshops to train people and “discuss governance”, adopt resolutions, carry out awareness sessions( these kind of riots can fall here because the # of people to be reached are high……in thousands) and support “grassroots organizations”, establish what they call ‘POSI’ ( observatory groups etc). You can have as many outputs as you want because the money will come in as long as the donors have an eye in that region or country
@pound says well, that it is not a one shot, but a process of conscious raising. Thing with Kenya is that,there is room for such “events” like what Mwangi wants to do. In some countries, you can’t do that kind of stuff.
Who has caught up with the state department’s diplomatic goof on regime change in Ukraine?
Sometimes,it can be good to post something for people to read instead of Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Now the people who have nothing to say but are just posting Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly can pelt the stones.


The F**ck the EU goof? I posted it some hrs ago I do know if its still here or madam admin has taken it off. And people here think that these orgs exist for them. In Nov USAID was involved in a scandal where 20% of monies supposed to be for "eradicating malaria" cannot be accounted for.


Exactly, our government on the other hand accounts for 100% of the monies and there has and will never be a corruption on our gava.

Sisi ni safi kama pamba.




No one said so, but isn't it interesting that the kettle always calls the pot black? smile
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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alma
#152 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 7:39:38 PM
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murchr wrote:
alma wrote:
murchr wrote:
Amores wrote:
This is probably USAID funding (and the government has info)and may not necessarily be coming in to topple the government tomorrow, but of course there is an agenda.The way it works is that, NGOs/ civil societies write a proposal to say EC or USAID (these are big donors for this kind of yada yada)They call it “enlarging democratic space and enhancing good governance”
That is where you throw in all the BS about multi-stakeholder workshops to train people and “discuss governance”, adopt resolutions, carry out awareness sessions( these kind of riots can fall here because the # of people to be reached are high……in thousands) and support “grassroots organizations”, establish what they call ‘POSI’ ( observatory groups etc). You can have as many outputs as you want because the money will come in as long as the donors have an eye in that region or country
@pound says well, that it is not a one shot, but a process of conscious raising. Thing with Kenya is that,there is room for such “events” like what Mwangi wants to do. In some countries, you can’t do that kind of stuff.
Who has caught up with the state department’s diplomatic goof on regime change in Ukraine?
Sometimes,it can be good to post something for people to read instead of Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Now the people who have nothing to say but are just posting Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly can pelt the stones.


The F**ck the EU goof? I posted it some hrs ago I do know if its still here or madam admin has taken it off. And people here think that these orgs exist for them. In Nov USAID was involved in a scandal where 20% of monies supposed to be for "eradicating malaria" cannot be accounted for.


Exactly, our government on the other hand accounts for 100% of the monies and there has and will never be a corruption on our gava.

Sisi ni safi kama pamba.




No one said so, but isn't it interesting that the kettle always calls the pot black? smile


I agree with you 100%.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
Pedes
#153 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 7:41:47 PM
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The US Dept. didn't goof. They were exasperated by how slow EU was to condemning the violence in Kiev. The US diplomat was recorded (it is assumed by the Russians and posted on Youtube)using profanity to express her frustration at Brussels.
If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
Rollout
#154 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 7:55:54 PM
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Let's face it.... Toppling a Government might not necessarly mean building an army, I understand what Kenyan government is worried about and most of you should.

First USAID mainly goes to civil society to provide education on among other things, human rights, social justice and support basic freedoms of citizens.

Imagine what will happen if certainly Kenyans understand how screwed they're, imagine if Kenyans learn how goggles affact the political choices and therefore their entire life, imagine if Kenyans learn that they don't have to be poor for the rest of their life, people will go crazy.

The government is worried that Kenyans might get smarter and thats a bad thing for ruling elite.
murchr
#155 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 8:05:31 PM
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Pedes wrote:
The US Dept. didn't goof. They were exasperated by how slow EU was to condemning the violence in Kiev. The US diplomat was recorded (it is assumed by the Russians and posted on Youtube)using profanity to express her frustration at Brussels.


Yea and using the UN to get whoever they want in power right? did you listen to the whole convo?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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simonkabz
#156 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 8:06:08 PM
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This thread goes to prove that there is a serious problem with USAID. I ask again to otoyos, is USAID INNOCENT?

Alma, achilia ka-essay hapasmile
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Pedes
#157 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 8:11:49 PM
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murchr wrote:
Pedes wrote:
The US Dept. didn't goof. They were exasperated by how slow EU was to condemning the violence in Kiev. The US diplomat was recorded (it is assumed by the Russians and posted on Youtube)using profanity to express her frustration at Brussels.


Yea and using the UN to get whoever they want in power right? did you listen to the whole convo?


President Viktor F. Yanukovych is no angel even Russians don't trust him. Ukraine is replay of Cold War tacticsts with the exception of the EU and US not seeing no weye to eye. USAID doesn't hold much sway there.
If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
murchr
#158 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 8:21:00 PM
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Pedes wrote:
murchr wrote:
Pedes wrote:
The US Dept. didn't goof. They were exasperated by how slow EU was to condemning the violence in Kiev. The US diplomat was recorded (it is assumed by the Russians and posted on Youtube)using profanity to express her frustration at Brussels.


Yea and using the UN to get whoever they want in power right? did you listen to the whole convo?


President Viktor F. Yanukovych is no angel even Russians don't trust him. Ukraine is replay of Cold War tacticsts with the exception of the EU and US not seeing no weye to eye. USAID doesn't hold much sway there.


Isnt that the bottom line, anti Russia anti China? USAID is just one channel there are many more ways to skin a cat
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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simonkabz
#159 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 8:38:30 PM
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Location: Cameroon
murchr wrote:
Pedes wrote:
murchr wrote:
Pedes wrote:
The US Dept. didn't goof. They were exasperated by how slow EU was to condemning the violence in Kiev. The US diplomat was recorded (it is assumed by the Russians and posted on Youtube)using profanity to express her frustration at Brussels.


Yea and using the UN to get whoever they want in power right? did you listen to the whole convo?


President Viktor F. Yanukovych is no angel even Russians don't trust him. Ukraine is replay of Cold War tacticsts with the exception of the EU and US not seeing no weye to eye. USAID doesn't hold much sway there.


Isnt that the bottom line, anti Russia anti China? USAID is just one channel there are many more ways to skin a cat



Muchiri give it a rest. These otoyos might not be knowing but international politics is far more complicated than they want to hoodwink themselves. Some of these fellows are in the US but ni Giza tu. Of course they will fight back, but that's the tragedy of kenya.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
alma
#160 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 9:05:04 PM
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This thread has meandered from Boniface to USAID, to Venezuela, to Russia, China and back.

I'm still waiting for the traitors to be sent to a hearing.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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