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McReggae
#91 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:30:21 AM
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simonkabz wrote:
McReggae wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
McReggae wrote:
@thimioni, you keep saying that I supported kiuks being, dig the archives and show me a single post celebrating killing og kikuyus, I'm not a war monger like you bana!!!!!


You did. Doesn't have to be outright. And all you do here everyday is remind us of the pain.......shouting suspects all the time. Its prudent you realize that kyuks hold pamba directly responsible for the bloodletting and will probably never forgive him. What can take a leader a whole 28 days to call for peace? Did it have to be revenge killings? Pamba called for peace either on 27 or 28th Jan 2008, soon after his relatives started getting a dose of the violence.

I always wonder why you guys never seem to get it! The story is as simple as that.


Eti kyuks hold pamba directly responsible and will probably never forgive......jeez, cool down the bile bro, you will choke on it.....I remember in 2008 your sentiments and many other kyuk in this forum, the hatred from kyuks was most for the then called Arap Milosevic and it remained the same until he started fighting baba and eventually formed a pact with Mtembezi...then he became an angel....SMH!!!!


Trust me. Arap is fully forgiven. He was pamba's lieutenant.

Agreeing to form that pact was very symbolic to the average Kikuyu. BTW I have no I'll feelings against anybody, just stating the facts as they are.

The average kyuk also thinks Arap has suffered enough at the ICC n any debt is fully paid.........

....and thirdly, that the man has reformed from the firespitting rabble rouser of yester years.

Hizo ndizo fundamentals.


Sawa sawa buda!!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Swenani
#92 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:36:30 AM
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Posts: 13,237
Location: Vacuum
simonkabz wrote:
McReggae wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
McReggae wrote:
@thimioni, you keep saying that I supported kiuks being, dig the archives and show me a single post celebrating killing og kikuyus, I'm not a war monger like you bana!!!!!


You did. Doesn't have to be outright. And all you do here everyday is remind us of the pain.......shouting suspects all the time. Its prudent you realize that kyuks hold pamba directly responsible for the bloodletting and will probably never forgive him. What can take a leader a whole 28 days to call for peace? Did it have to be revenge killings? Pamba called for peace either on 27 or 28th Jan 2008, soon after his relatives started getting a dose of the violence.

I always wonder why you guys never seem to get it! The story is as simple as that.


Eti kyuks hold pamba directly responsible and will probably never forgive......jeez, cool down the bile bro, you will choke on it.....I remember in 2008 your sentiments and many other kyuk in this forum, the hatred from kyuks was most for the then called Arap Milosevic and it remained the same until he started fighting baba and eventually formed a pact with Mtembezi...then he became an angel....SMH!!!!


Trust me. Arap is fully forgiven. He was pamba's lieutenant.

Agreeing to form that pact was very symbolic to the average Kikuyu. BTW I have no I'll feelings against anybody, just stating the facts as they are.

The average kyuk also thinks Arap has suffered enough at the ICC n any debt is fully paid.........

....and thirdly, that the man has reformed from the firespitting rabble rouser of yester years.

Hizo ndizo fundamentals.


B......U......L......L.........S.......H......I.....T


If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
accelriskconsult
#93 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:42:17 AM
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simonkabz wrote:
accelriskconsult wrote:
Simonkabz I see that you have no response. Its on record that WSR's counsel complained that the PNU side fixed WSR. That is official. Now a supposed witness comes out to say that he was paid by USAID to implicate WSR. And yet you want us to believe that USAID supported chungwa. Need I point out the contradictions?


I don't follow you, but its no brainer who the west supported. It's as obvious as a cock crowing in the morning. USAID has been mentioned numerous times, and I guess we all know Rannenbaga's close relation with Cotton, HR activists n ICC. Do you live in Kenya?



So USAID strengthened baba's chances of being president by taking away the lieutenant (WSR) who brought him the most votes?

I see.

Hata ng'ombe yako ikikataa kutoa maziwa itakuwa ni baba amesema isitoe!!

I have some close very close friends from the Rift. I have known them since 1991 when MO1 was president and I can tell you that today, the only food in their bakuli is what they worked for. Remove your tribal googles and then the possibility of a nation called Kenya will emerge. As of now, its all about tribal nations.
simonkabz
#94 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:16:28 AM
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Accept the truth and move on bw acel. That is the only way forward for this broken state. The truth and nothing less.

What we think matters less,if the thoughts n feelings of the commoners who are the overwhelming majority are ignored as evident on some comments above. I have not an iota of doubt in my comments. Those are the fundamentals.
take it or leave it, that's individual effort n not my business.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Njung'e
#95 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:17:05 AM
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accelriskconsult wrote:
[quote=simonkabz][quote=accelriskconsult] Remove your tribal googles and then the possibility of a nation called Kenya will emerge. As of now, its all about tribal nations.



Have we ever been anything else?.....Maybe i used to view it differently pre-2007 until some politicians assisted by an aMERICAN named dICK came up with a strategy refered to as 40-1.The voice of one politician refering to the Gikuyu nation as Lesotho are still very fresh in my mind.Nothing has changed since then and if i were you i wouldn't advice anybody to remove his goggles.I actually encourage everybody to put on his as long as they are not clear because that is whom we are however else we want it to be.Let's all be tribal!It's good!
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
mawinder
#96 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 12:44:16 PM
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So long as Kikuyus dont have any logical explanation as to why they live in Njoro,Burnt Forest,Kitale,Nakuru in large numbers the problem is far from settled.
Nandwa
#97 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 12:46:09 PM
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Joined: 11/17/2009
Posts: 1,049
Two wrongs wont amount to a right.

Undeniably, ODM under RAO committed major wrongs to Kenya in 2007-2008, read PEV.

At the time, ODM proponents were comfy with the happenings which they viewed as poetic justice meted against those that they (wrongly) perceived as their win robbers.

Of course those who had been on the receiving end turned the tables on the 'aggressors' and equally spilt blood of innocent members of public purely on the basis of ethnicity!

When Ocampo came to town he took alleged perpetrators from both sides in equal numbers.
This raised eyebrows including mine d'oh! !!


Today, we have come full circle and Uhuruto is/are in power.

Is there any more need for their supporters to keep shooting from the hip!!

Is there a need for ODMers to swear that a day is coming bla bla bla!

In any case, if certain fellows in Wazua are disrespectful of others not from their back yard, is that reason enough to paint an entire community that they are associated with as such!

Two wrongs don't make a right!


That said, nobody is at the Hague as a result of framing or Western conspiracy.
That's a political story for obvious expediency!

In private, whether allied to ODM, PNU/Uhuruto, or otherwise, in general terms we all know who did what!

Many more persons, besides the so called Ocampo 6 owe Kenya explanations on PEV.







Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
Angelica _ann
#98 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:20:02 PM
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The guy dealt with 2 jungus men, i hope he is not on daipers at the moment!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
githundi
#99 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:29:26 PM
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mawinder wrote:
So long as Kikuyus dont have any logical explanation as to why they live in Njoro,Burnt Forest,Kitale,Nakuru in large numbers the problem is far from settled.

Boss, i come from Njoro. I was born there, my parents were born there. I mean what are you asking?
Fyi
1. Our grandfathers bought the land from white settlers through cooperative society in independence times.
2. This land were historically Maa grazing lands including Nakuru and Rongai areas.
3. Nakuru is in fact a Maasai word.
4. If there's any claim to the land, it should be by the Maa, the same they would claim Nairobi.
We were in the front line, and i can confirm most of the thoughts in this thread is just hear say.
So let's sober up.
Democracy does not belong to the dead
Jump-steady
#100 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:53:06 PM
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Joined: 12/1/2008
Posts: 1,098
mawinder wrote:
So long as Kikuyus dont have any logical explanation as to why they live in Njoro,Burnt Forest,Kitale,Nakuru in large numbers the problem is far from settled.



Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you

Do you need to have a logical explanation to be anywhere in kenya if you are kenyan?

And to whom do you owe the explanation?

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