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Masjid Musa Mosque Mombasa
Muriel
#121 Posted : Friday, February 07, 2014 1:32:23 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Muriel wrote:
guru267 wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
More reason as to why religion and non existent gods are the stupidest and most detrimental things on earth. Us atheists are just shaking our heads as we see this stupidity unfolding. We feel sorry for religious people. How weak minded can people be? What exactly are these people fighting for or against? I just don't get it. I really feel sorry for religious people. Really really sorry.


I heard/read somewhere that the overall fight is for the "Third and Final Jerusalem Islamic Caliphate" which will be established by the prophet Jesus(saw)when he descends to Damascus from heaven etc... etc.....

So basically the end game for some of these guys is to rally enough troops to liberate Palestine..


I don't think raiding/closing mosques and shooting youths is the right way to handle the issue!


My antennae went up immediately I read about the "Third and Final Jerusalem Islamic Caliphate".

Especially on the "Third" part ,,,,,,,,,, where and when were the first two? Are you in a position to teach me?


The first Caliphate was established by Prophet Muhammad (saw) and lasted 632 A.D to 661 A.D and covered mainly the Arab world!

The second Caliphate was one of the largest and longest empires ever seen on earth and was from 1301 - 1924... (Ottoman Empire) It span from Europe to Asia to North Africa

Muhammad(saw) predicted there would be only three Islamic Caliphates with the third one being set up by Jesus(saw) in Jerusalem... It will cover the whole globe!



I see.

I read something similar recently. History is indeed fascinating!

Thank you for the information, ma'am.
Alba
#122 Posted : Tuesday, February 11, 2014 6:59:19 PM
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Caliphates aside, the most direct reason why this happens is because the youth are idle and restless.

Idle because they are jobless and restless because they see the people at the top just eating and becoming richer.

Government must address societal issues. And this is why I keep saying that unless we vote for people whose primary goal is to create jobs. address corruption and address tribalism, we will continue to pay the price with crime, riots and terrorism.

If no jobs available, governments must find other ways to keep these youth busy with positive activities.

On a positive note, 100 youth are going to be charged and some will be offered leniency if they become state witnesses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26013964
Njung'e
#123 Posted : Tuesday, February 11, 2014 7:49:44 PM
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@Alba,
joblessness is one big excuse inasmuch as,it's true,the youth of this country need jobs.We have heard about the same before when Mungiki was at it's "best".You don't hear much about the group nowadays and it's not that they were provided with jobs......and if i may ask,is it that the jobless of Mombasa town attend the same mosque?...and that the tens of 12 year old boys arrested in the Mosque were also out looking for jobs?....C'mon son!You can do better than that.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Alba
#124 Posted : Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:32:19 PM
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@Njunge
No one is saying joblessness is an excuse. There is no excuse for committing crime or terrorism.

However it is a fact that there is a direct correlation between unemployment and crime. Mzungu said long ago "An idle mind is the devil's workshop".

Numerous studies have been done that show a direct correlation between crime and unemployment. A basic Google search will show you plenty.
Here is one:
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/crimwage.htm

If a person is addicted to cigarrettes and he has no money to buy them, what is he going to do ? Of course he will steal.

There is also a direct correlation between hopelessness and suicidal behavior. The reason suicide bombers exist in Palestine is precisely because of the hopelessness brought about by 60% unemployment.

I dont make excuses for criminals. Thats why I said I was happy that 100 people were being arrested. However we are being myopic if we think throwing people in jail will solve everything. You must address underlying issues.

Also you are sorely mistaken if you think Mungiki has gone away. The same youths who would be in Mungiki are now in other gangs like the Gaza group now terrorizing people in Kayole and are soon coming to a neighborhood near you.

After the Police deal with Gaza, people like Njunge might celebrate that Gaza has been finished. Kumbe it will just morph into another gang. On and on. There will be new gangs every 6 months or so.

Until we deal with issues like unemployment, corruption and tribalism, crime is here to stay. Whether its Mungiki , Gaza or the hundreds of carjackers and robbers visiting terror on Kenyans.

And the coastal youth will soon be infiltrated by Al Qaeda and will soon become more dangerous. These are the kind of desparate youth that Al Qaeda likes to prey on.
guru267
#125 Posted : Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:30:16 PM
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Those who are shouting unemployment and idleness are forever naive Sad

Usama Bin Laden was an heir to 300 million US dollars, Anwar Al Waki was an fully fledged engineer and the current Al queda head is a professor....

Haven't you all wondered why these "terrorists" would give everything up to fight and die for the fight?? Was it unemployment or idleness??

I doubt GOK will shoot their way out of this!

Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Alba
#126 Posted : Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:56:48 PM
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Guru don't make people laugh. You are in denial.

Usama is not the terrorist he is the financier. Al Awlaki is the brains. He was not the one out their strapping bombs to himself.

The actual terrorists do not have the millions you speak of. The average suicide bomber or Jihadi is broke, depressed, jobless and hopeless to the point that it is very easy to brainwash them by telling them that you would be better off in paradise with 72 virgins than to continue to suffer on earth broke, hopeless and jobless.

In fact Makaburi and Rogo preyed on poor youth. See the excerpt from the article below

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-24263357

Quote:
Khalid said it was Sheikh Rogo who encouraged him to travel to Somalia and become a jihadi.

"He used to tell us: 'Instead of sitting in the slum doing nothing, it's better to go to Somalia and fight for your religion, you'll go straight to heaven.'"


Cases of rich kids becoming Jihadis are the rare exception.
Njung'e
#127 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:45:53 AM
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@Alba,
I think you have some honesty which i like and if everybody was to own up as you do,fighting criminality/terrorism would be very easy.That is not what our so called leaders are doing and if i may,can i quote Omar Hassan,Abdulswalmad Nassir,Lethome and the many more Islamic hypocrites who won't say a word when other Kenyans are attacked by Islamic terrorists but are soon on their feet when a Mosque is raided by law enforcers to bring down a non-Kenyan flag or Annihilate a gun totting Sheikh?....Let's just say Kenyans can put up with a terrorist attack here and there when our law enforcers are caught napping however painful it is....let's just say Chritians will take the burning of their worshipping places by Muslims with pain but still trudge on.Let's say too,that a Christian church leader killed by Islamic terrorists is as human.Let's condemn all this acts with equal measure.Let Muslims be as silent during Masjid Musa cleansing as they did during the WestaGate attack.At least if they did that,we will not notice their silent cheers.Let's be honest and accept that amongst as,there are honorable hypocrites.Let's just say we do not mind as long as they do not show it openly.Let's just wish they could keep their hypocrisy to themselves and hope that the terrorism they so silently cheer up will one day come back and eat their spouses and children.Let's pray for that! Ama?
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
kollabo
#128 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:38:15 AM
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[quote=Alba]Caliphates aside, the most direct reason why this happens is because the youth are idle and restless.

Idle because they are jobless and restless because they see the people at the top just eating and becoming richer.

Government must address societal issues. And this is why I keep saying that unless we vote for people whose primary goal is to create jobs. address corruption and address tribalism, we will continue to pay the price with crime, riots and terrorism.

If no jobs available, governments must find other ways to keep these youth busy with positive activities.

On a positive note, 100 youth are going to be charged and some will be offered leniency if they become state witnesses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26013964[/quote]

Please look for another excuse
Muriel
#129 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:09:25 AM
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[quote=Alba]Caliphates aside, the most direct reason why this happens is because the youth are idle and restless.

Idle because they are jobless and restless because they see the people at the top just eating and becoming richer.

Government must address societal issues. And this is why I keep saying that unless we vote for people whose primary goal is to create jobs. address corruption and address tribalism, we will continue to pay the price with crime, riots and terrorism.

If no jobs available, governments must find other ways to keep these youth busy with positive activities.

On a positive note, 100 youth are going to be charged and some will be offered leniency if they become state witnesses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26013964[/quote]


Pushing the caliphates aside is to totally misunderstand the grand picture.

The 1st and 2nd caliphates were established without reference to the current employment statistics.

So in like manner will the illusionary 3rd caliphate be attempted ,,,,,,,,, attempted. Attempted.

Sunnism, wahabism is independent of NGO 'socio-political' speak.
Muriel
#130 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:34:50 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Those who are shouting unemployment and idleness are forever naive Sad

Usama Bin Laden was an heir to 300 million US dollars, Anwar Al Waki was an fully fledged engineer and the current Al queda head is a professor....

Haven't you all wondered why these "terrorists" would give everything up to fight and die for the fight?? Was it unemployment or idleness??

I doubt GOK will shoot their way out of this!




You and I are in agreement.
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