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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Its sad that the world offers free education everyday but some people simply choose to ignore valuable lessons and would rather continue with their lazy ways. The London Metro police has been preparing for the G7 summit,they expect the biggest gathering of anti-establishment groups,from anti-globalist,to pro-environmentalist,anti-capitalist,anti-americans,communists etc,but the most feared group are the anarchists and they are in town. All this groups are expert demonstrators and rouble rousers. They expect peacefull demonstrations which they have largely sanctioned,but they also anticipate violent protests,especially from the anarchists. They are on record saying that the protests (Note the use of the word protests and not protestors) have a way of acquiring a life of their own and turning violent. The steps they are taking include standing guard along the protest routes,de-congesting the city. barricading high value targets including the glass windows of most buildings on the route. My good friends,this is called management,its much better than using live ammo on unarmed people. Why can't Ali just watch TV and learn how to do his job. @Wendz,your wild unsubstantiated allegation that the student was shot by another reek of desperation. In any case,does it make you feel any better about the death. I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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@ Mr. Tea You talk of passing life lessons to the young. Well,this is it. It is in such forums that we hope they read our dissenting views and learn tolerance. I hope some of the elderly also pick up a few lessons. I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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Sigh...how in all honesty can one compare the G7 protests and the KU riots??...for starters the G7 protests are anticipated,the KU riots were not!! Talk of putting up barricades when the buildings with students in them are already on fire..That dramatically changes the crowd handling mechanisms...try the LA riots in the 'civilised' US..that is more apt..Investigations will identify circumstances that led to the student shooting and by who. Next.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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@Obi
dont believe everything you read.... check your dates.........
Some deals are like glass. Sometimes it's better to leave them broken than try to hurt yourself putting it back together.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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@Ecstacy Keep it simple,its all about people management. No wonder you are still stuck in the PEV cycle,now I get it. I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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There is a huge world in between a protest and a riot....or maybe not.Let's get it.Did the students inform the police of the intended riot so that the police could organise to line around the buildings just in case the riot turned out to be peaceful? Guka wa bijuti... Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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@Njunge,nice one. You wonder if some of these pple have ever run anything,hata kiosk.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/24/2008 Posts: 238
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Mr. Tea. You put it well. I do not generally agree with you on real property issues but on this one yes.
What does one tell a fresh student reporting to KU- that you can have a you-do-me- i- do you with the police and administration?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/4/2008 Posts: 1,289 Location: Nairobi
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You should see the clothes they wear. A young man with a trouser belted below his bums proudly showing off his boxer shorts. His sister is wearing a low cut jeans with nothing beneath. When the two sit down,you have the most disgusting scene in the world. Our dear old lecturer can only look in disbelief. He lives with it day in and day out. He has no respect for his students from the word go. This is not the most conducive of enviroments for a lecturer student relationship.
Within the campus,you cannot tell the number of drug peddlers. My guess is they are a couple. One wonders why drug peddlers are never arrested. It is as if there are no drugs in our country. I support coastal people taking the law unto their hands to deal with drug dealers.
The media is also to blame. For a student to set alight a residence block while there are people inside the building shows how things have gone bad. Our media is sensational. They will show any scene. Dead bodies,people bleeding,wailing relatives,people burning alive,and you can add to the list. You cannot stop them. They are a free press with no responsibilities. They do not understand the effect of their actions. Kenyans no longer value life thanks to them. Yet,they are very good at doing a rejoinder when such events occur. Shame on them.
It has also been said that our family units are breaking down. The effect is that the number of vichwa gumu has gone up. The kids cannot obey any rules or anyone for that matter.
Fundamentals + Sentiments = Position
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/21/2009 Posts: 573
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You know guys we aught not honour these dudes by discussing them,Much as most of us are not old enough we are helping them with pocket money and other sustainance.i believe even after riots they normally stay with us cause they can,t afford transport home leave alone proudly saying they can,t fit the social life there.I suggest anyone housing University students to start reprimanding them.I don,t expect they would riot at us too.
How about blacklisting employment
KENYA OUR BELOVED COUNTRY
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/6/2009 Posts: 172
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@Fundamental ali and the other fundamentals on this board
If your children have bad manners,that is your fault not mine. Don't come here telling us how you have failed as a parent and expect sympathy from us. Ukae na shida zako na mavazi ya watoto wako.
@ectasy
Obi has given you a very good example of a police force that is well managed. All you can come up with is stupid comments that we have never run anything. You may be surprised if you dig deep enough. But do I say.
@ the dress code lunatics.
I have worked in companies everywhere in the world. It is only in Kenya where your boss (Pray its not one of these SK fanatics) can fire you for how you dress. Unless of course you are working for a fundamentalist christian boss in South Carolina with a chip on his back.
@Njunge
When your arguments have lost any semblence of coherent thought you go back to what you know best. Tribal abuse,fake age philosophy,anti- kenyan diasporan arguments. If you cannot come up with a logical point please save it for when you have some soap and privacy.
As much as I am against violence,it is plainly obvious that to the kenyan elite a good life means totally hammering anyone not agreeing with them.
I wonder what pleasure you take in the death of anyone. Even a thief deserves his time in court. However,it is plainly obvious that some on this board would rather have a few more dead people than taking the time to talk. If that woman had taken just an hour of her time to talk to the students,we would not be talking about any of this.
There is nothing special or different between a student now and a student of yesteryear. The same hormones still rage. It is only the best VC's who managed to manage these hormones. Naturally,this woman has failed in what all other college VC's have succeded in doing.
If she had taken the high road as the leader in KU and not the fashion police,we would still have those buildings and students who are still alive.
I am sorry to say,that ectasy you are right. This is an example of the PEV issue. Now you know what I think of your damn leaders and their failure to anticipate chaos and act with a measured response. and @mnjoro you should start by blacklisting all student leaders who led strikes in colleges. kabando,orengo,etc etc. You are not as bright as you think.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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@nanfor
Are you a he or she?
Some deals are like glass. Sometimes it's better to leave them broken than try to hurt yourself putting it back together.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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@FundamentAlly. Your post is interesting,you are tossing blame around like they are getting out of fashion. Out of interest,where are you in all this. You are obviously not the student,nor the media. Which working part of our rotten society do you represent. BTW,most students in public universities are hardworking,serious young men and women (average B+ in KCSE) and come from mainly lower middleclass and poor families. They can't afford sagging jeans or boxers,they also can't afford drugs (even bhang' is relatively expensive),they would rather buy food and stick to the second hand clothes. The young people you are referring to are in USIU and on MTV. I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/6/2009 Posts: 172
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@Wendz I am a she and that is as much about me you are ever going to get.......This dressing issue leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth. When you can argue just as a rapist would,then you know you are on the wrong side of the argument.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/4/2008 Posts: 1,289 Location: Nairobi
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@nanfor
I hope I was not discussing you. BTW,I have no chicldren.
Fundamentals + Sentiments = Position
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/4/2008 Posts: 1,289 Location: Nairobi
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@ Obi
Am no where in the whole picture. But I have a keen interest in the on goings in our country. Social issues do not know boundaries,tribes,level of eductaion,etc.. as we are made to believe. Social issue have their patterns. We deal with them,and we will have dealt with everyone.
Fundamentals + Sentiments = Position
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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@nanfor
Thats all i needed to know because it now helps me understand your posts and i will tell you why
1. Your posts are long - typically a lady 2. Your language was man(ish).... they tend not to care much about the words they drop hence may not be as refined as ladies.(for all the guys here - Hope you understand what i mean). 3. Your hateful language about the VC and reference to her with all sorts of names was more 'chauvinistic' so i thought that could be a hateful man 4. Sometimes letting your emotions run higher and clog your objective thinking (not always but its more a characteristic of a lady)
I hope you understand my confusion in understanding where you are coming from and hence my question. I do respect all your posts so dont take it personal.... we dont all dont have to come to one agreement.
Some deals are like glass. Sometimes it's better to leave them broken than try to hurt yourself putting it back together.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/6/2009 Posts: 172
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@all before this degenarates into what I can see it leading to,let me be very clear on my stand.
Anyone who participated in burning property should be arrested and taken to jail. I have no time for violence response to anything.
However,I have learned in my time on this earth never to judge anything by its cover. I am more likely to try and figure out why a bad thing happened so that it never happens again. For those who have never been in business,that is what you need to do to make your business succeed.
In this particular case,I really do not see how that woman is not culpable for what has happened in that college. I just can't.
She let the police who are known to harass female students enter halls of residences. A first in Kenyan university riots. She lied in public about the safety of her students. That would get her fired anywhere but in Kenya She claimed she had no idea of the violence metted out on her students. That is a sure sign of ineptitude.
As much as I am for women in power,it is obvious this is not the woman to be left in charge of young people who are in a mob. This hooligans had planned to make a stink and this woman just added fuel to that fire. Only in Kenya can she be supported.
As we speak,your police have killed someone else today. I mean....come on! No one is talking to anyone else. As long as we don't take the time to talk,I am sorry to say,KU is just the beginning of some serious social issues that are coming to Kenya.
And Wendz no worries but I type as much as I do coz I can do it. lol. I will keep the next posts short but this woman just annoys me to no end.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Most people are always loud mouthed in supporting the actions by our police officers......WAIT UNTIL IT DESCENDS TO YOUR FAMILY OR CLOSED ONES......utasema kumbe haukuwa umejuwa!!!! Make money.....then you will enjoy all the fine things in life!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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wake up,you realize it's the same effect if students went on the rampage...
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