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Terms in life insurance covers are terrible
tom_boy
#1 Posted : Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:23:06 AM
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I have been searching for a life cover for some time but I find the term and conditions unacceptable and very limiting on how one chooses to live. Some examples of exclusions - circumstances under which a life cover will not pay include:

Death due to pregnancy or pregnancy related causes

Death while riding a motor cycle either as a passenger or the driver

Death while fully or partially under the influence of alcohol. This is irrespective of how the death occured and whether you were party to the events or not.

Death while undertaking certain activities such as water skiing, mountain climbing, riding in a hot air balloon. This is irrespective of the fact that it may be a one off experience and not your usual hobby or occupation.

Accidental death is defined as death that is directly caused by the accident and involves actual physical bodily harm. I wonder what the interpretation would be if one is involved in an accident and is hospitalised but dies 2 weeks later from a hospital acquired infection.

Death from riots is also excluded.

These exclusions make it pointless to take a death cover. If you are a young active person, these exclusions make it more likely that your dependants will not be paid.

Is there anyone in Kenya offering a simple life cover without all these exclusions. A life cover is supposed to allow one to enjoy life events knowing that the family is well taken care of in case of death from any cause. These cover exclusions almost make it such that one has to walk around with a checklist of things you should not do.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
Coolbull
#2 Posted : Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:12:27 AM
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I guess there is none.

I had a life cover with Old Mutual in 2006 which I had taken without thinking it out very well. After 3 or so years I terminated it. They took 55% of my contribution, despite having 'told' me that I would not lose my money if I withdrew after 3 years.

I took the 45%, went down to Kitengela and bought a plot which by 2012 had appreciated to the amount Old Mutual had 'promised' me.

The plot is still appreciating and am not dead.
There is more hope in buying EverReady shares than taking a life insurance.

Funny, all the guys who have been selling me life covers don't have any. A few have personal accident.
tom_boy
#3 Posted : Tuesday, February 11, 2014 4:56:55 PM
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I have an ongoing case with Britak. Took an education policy with them but stopped paying premiums after 3 yrs. They want to give me back only 30% of the fund value. I am arguing I shoud get more because even though I stopped paying premiums at 3 yrs, I did not cancel the policy but left it as is to continue growing. Has anyone had experience with RBA in arbitrating such issues.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
tom_boy
#4 Posted : Tuesday, February 11, 2014 6:59:14 PM
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Which is the best performing pension fund in Kenya?
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
omhangla
#5 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:22:04 PM
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I had one with old mutual which i stopped paying after 3 years after realizing their yearly returns are low.took instead a loan tu buy plot which am paying using same money would i have paid as premiums. it had a maturity of 10 years but with opt out option of 5 years. wanted to know if it possible to withdraw minus whatever penalty before the 5 years
Chaka
#6 Posted : Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:29:32 PM
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tom_boy wrote:
Which is the best performing pension fund in Kenya?

Jubilee ?
Jus Blazin
#7 Posted : Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:53:44 PM
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I think people are mistaking it here and not answering @tom_boy. There's a difference between insurance life cover and investment policy. With life cover, you are not looking at getting back your contributions. It's a cover whose benefits are payable to your next of kin in case of your demise. Ni kama car insurance or medical insurance. You pay the premiums but you don't ask for your contributions once you cancel the policy.
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tassia
#8 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 12:33:40 AM
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When it comes to insurance, I can only think about Motor vehicle, Property and Health. For the others including those investment plans, I better save and buy small plots.
Kibunda
#9 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 6:36:29 AM
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omhangla wrote:
I had one with old mutual which i stopped paying after 3 years after realizing their yearly returns are low.took instead a loan tu buy plot which am paying using same money would i have paid as premiums. it had a maturity of 10 years but with opt out option of 5 years. wanted to know if it possible to withdraw minus whatever penalty before the 5 years


The law requires the insurer to pay a "surrender value" for all policies which have a survival benefit and the policyholder has paid premiums for 3 or more years.
So you should be paid something - but it will be less than what you had put in as premiums
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newfarer
#10 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 9:18:22 AM
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life insurance is only a meaningful savings vehicle if you are to hold it to fullterm.but just put in a minimal amount in premium.

i have a policy with alico aka cfcheritage.took in 2003.by 2009 the policy was worth 52000.by yesterday it was worth 251000.nearly 5times growth in surrender value.
i am now entitled to 25% of this in cash benefits which can only be withdrawn in the10th year otherwise it will be reinvested till the 15th year. i opted to eat this cash benefits now instead as this doesnt affect the basic value.ni kama dividend.

not forgeting.the monthly 15% personal tax relief on premium paid.
punda amecheka
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