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Rank: New-farer Joined: 3/29/2012 Posts: 12
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the subject has been the headlines most of the days this week and i wonder what would we not be taxed! probably tomorrow we will be told tithe's to the church will be taxed! i do not understand how the government requires the cement makers to pay Sh140 tax per tonne translates to an in increase of Sh20 per 50kg bag passed on to the consumer! How?  if i seem ignorant, forgive me bt this is crazy!! yesterday, i learnt i will pay tax equivalent to the cost of another i have not budgeted for should i win say a Sh.10million Range Rover!! i hope to wait, see n  this money doesn't go to the pockets of a few individuals 
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/24/2012 Posts: 331 Location: Vantage point
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The trouble is a lot more money is needed to run the counties, more than was projected theoretically and the resources to sustain them aren't there. We have too many unnecessary counties in the country.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/29/2008 Posts: 571
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muraggz wrote:the subject has been the headlines most of the days this week and i wonder what would we not be taxed! probably tomorrow we will be told tithe's to the church will be taxed! i do not understand how the government requires the cement makers to pay Sh140 tax per tonne translates to an in increase of Sh20 per 50kg bag passed on to the consumer! How? if i seem ignorant, forgive me bt this is crazy!! yesterday, i learnt i will pay tax equivalent to the cost of another i have not budgeted for should i win say a Sh.10million Range Rover!! i hope to wait, see n this money doesn't go to the pockets of a few individuals Taxing lottery winners is in order.In fact KRA erred by taxing at a rate of 20%.It should have been 30%...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Kulipa ushuru ni kujitegemea "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:Kulipa ushuru ni kujitegemea If only the gov't wasn't wasteful,had its priorities right and corrupt gov't officials were shot in the head [legally] for engaging in corruption and economic crimes. We need such a law just to set a few examples. I volunteer to send them back to the hell they came from.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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mkeiy wrote:murchr wrote:Kulipa ushuru ni kujitegemea If only the gov't wasn't wasteful,had its priorities right and corrupt gov't officials were shot in the head [legally] for engaging in corruption and economic crimes. We need such a law just to set a few examples. I volunteer to send them back to the hell they came from. This might help if implemented Luxury Spending ban on ministry bossesI wonder why some of these measures are not the norm. Would save the nation a lot of resources Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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murchr wrote:Kulipa ushuru ni kujitegemea For me, paying taxes is a painful affair because of the level of wastage and corruption that bedevils successive governments! If MY MONEY is used to pay teachers, doctors, nurses, build roads schools, ensure Kenyans don't die of preventable diseases, all Kenyans have clean water, food to eat, opportunities to make a living etc. with zero corruption, no inflated bills, no substandard work, no inflated salaries for useless public officials and elected clowns etc. I'd be paying taxes with one huge smile on my face! But when I pay taxes and some clowns start awarding themselves obscene salaries relative to their input and I read about corruption every day, It doesn't sit well with me! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:Kulipa ushuru ni kujitegemea For me, paying taxes is a painful affair because of the level of wastage and corruption that bedevils successive governments! If MY MONEY is used to pay teachers, doctors, nurses, build roads schools, ensure Kenyans don't die of preventable diseases, all Kenyans have clean water, food to eat, opportunities to make a living etc. with zero corruption, no inflated bills, no substandard work, no inflated salaries for useless public officials and elected clowns etc. I'd paying taxes with one huge smile on my face! But when I pay taxes and some clowns start awarding themselves obscene salaries relative to their input and I read about corruption every day, It doesn't sit well with me! That can only happen in a perfect world which is non existant "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:Kulipa ushuru ni kujitegemea For me, paying taxes is a painful affair because of the level of wastage and corruption that bedevils successive governments! If MY MONEY is used to pay teachers, doctors, nurses, build roads schools, ensure Kenyans don't die of preventable diseases, all Kenyans have clean water, food to eat, opportunities to make a living etc. with zero corruption, no inflated bills, no substandard work, no inflated salaries for useless public officials and elected clowns etc. I'd paying taxes with one huge smile on my face! But when I pay taxes and some clowns start awarding themselves obscene salaries relative to their input and I read about corruption every day, It doesn't sit well with me! That can only happen in a perfect world which is non existant It happens my friend! Open your eyes. And read. If you perpetually stick to Citizen TV and KBC then you might tend to think it is not possible. Of course corruption is not an absolute zero but it is negligible. In some countries less than 2% of public money gets lost in corruption. And even for that someone has to be punished! For your homework today, study the fiscal discipline in Germany, Canada and Netherlands. Then tomorrow I'll give you another three countries! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:Kulipa ushuru ni kujitegemea For me, paying taxes is a painful affair because of the level of wastage and corruption that bedevils successive governments! If MY MONEY is used to pay teachers, doctors, nurses, build roads schools, ensure Kenyans don't die of preventable diseases, all Kenyans have clean water, food to eat, opportunities to make a living etc. with zero corruption, no inflated bills, no substandard work, no inflated salaries for useless public officials and elected clowns etc. I'd paying taxes with one huge smile on my face! But when I pay taxes and some clowns start awarding themselves obscene salaries relative to their input and I read about corruption every day, It doesn't sit well with me! That can only happen in a perfect world which is non existant It happens my friend! Open your eyes. And read. If you perpetually stick to Citizen TV and KBC then you might tend to think it is not possible. Of course corruption is not an absolute zero but it is negligible. In some countries less than 2% of public money gets lost in corruption. And if for that someone has to be punished! For your homework today, study the fiscal discipline in Germany, Canada and Netherlands. Then tomorrow I'll give you another three countries!  Ati you're asking me to read? Lolest , I am not able to watch KBC because am not physically in Kenya tho I watch Citizen once in a while online anyway... I dont deny that the so said countries have little corruption indices but the reality is their taxes are also "wasted" as you've put it in many other ways....Read the Canadian Senate Expense scandal..the German govt has been blamed for being too lax in fighting corruption. Why do you think there are too many money problems in Europe? Govt spending. The only places in the world where govt almost spends in the right way is in the Scandinavian/nordic countries and that is largely due to their culture...(feminism). Just find out how much they are taxed "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/29/2008 Posts: 571
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murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:MaichBlack wrote:murchr wrote:Kulipa ushuru ni kujitegemea For me, paying taxes is a painful affair because of the level of wastage and corruption that bedevils successive governments! If MY MONEY is used to pay teachers, doctors, nurses, build roads schools, ensure Kenyans don't die of preventable diseases, all Kenyans have clean water, food to eat, opportunities to make a living etc. with zero corruption, no inflated bills, no substandard work, no inflated salaries for useless public officials and elected clowns etc. I'd paying taxes with one huge smile on my face! But when I pay taxes and some clowns start awarding themselves obscene salaries relative to their input and I read about corruption every day, It doesn't sit well with me! That can only happen in a perfect world which is non existant It happens my friend! Open your eyes. And read. If you perpetually stick to Citizen TV and KBC then you might tend to think it is not possible. Of course corruption is not an absolute zero but it is negligible. In some countries less than 2% of public money gets lost in corruption. And if for that someone has to be punished! For your homework today, study the fiscal discipline in Germany, Canada and Netherlands. Then tomorrow I'll give you another three countries! Ati you're asking me to read? Lolest , I am not able to watch KBC because am not physically in Kenya tho I watch Citizen once in a while online anyway... I dont deny that the so said countries have little corruption indices but the reality is their taxes are also "wasted" as you've put it in many other ways....Read the Canadian Senate Expense scandal..the German govt has been blamed for being too lax in fighting corruption. Why do you think there are too many money problems in Europe? Govt spending. The only places in the world where govt almost spends in the right way is in the Scandinavian/nordic countries and that is largely due to their culture...(feminism). Just find out how much they are taxed
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/29/2008 Posts: 571
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Death and TAXES are unavoidable......Lipa ushuru....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,452
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Ali Baba wrote:Death and TAXES are unavoidable......Lipa ushuru.... In Kenya taxes are avoidable - especially for the big boys! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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An example of the kind of 'wastage' we could do without. Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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Ali Baba wrote:muraggz wrote:the subject has been the headlines most of the days this week and i wonder what would we not be taxed! probably tomorrow we will be told tithe's to the church will be taxed! i do not understand how the government requires the cement makers to pay Sh140 tax per tonne translates to an in increase of Sh20 per 50kg bag passed on to the consumer! How? if i seem ignorant, forgive me bt this is crazy!! yesterday, i learnt i will pay tax equivalent to the cost of another i have not budgeted for should i win say a Sh.10million Range Rover!! i hope to wait, see n this money doesn't go to the pockets of a few individuals Taxing lottery winners is in order.In fact KRA erred by taxing at a rate of 20%.It should have been 30%... http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/15bdm5sz/-/index.htmlLife is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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 Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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I'm in some country n I honestly think Kenya's tax regime is extremely modest! And I'm not defending those crazed county gods. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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