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3 Bed Room Apartments on Lenana Road
Tgoldman
#1 Posted : Tuesday, February 04, 2014 12:00:06 PM
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Hi Wazuans.Some family friends wanted to pitch me into buying an apartment complex they own and currently under construction on Lenana Road, very proximal to Cactus bar/restaurant. Can someone guide me into a realistic and market value for three bed room apartments in that side of upscale kilimani. All three bedrooms are en suite and there is an additional servant quarter with its own entry and bathroom. A good realistic price range would be appreciated. Is Ksh 20m a realistic price given the current trend in those areas. I have checked few other apartment complex in those areas, among one opposite Casablanca and much smaller going for Ksh 25m and an upcoming one on Kasuku Road going for Ksh 30m..... Based on these, I am guessing these guys being family friend aren't there to flee me. Nevertheless, its better to be safe than sorry thus would appreciate wazuans in real estate market for their constructive feedback. Asanteni all.
ecstacy
#2 Posted : Tuesday, February 04, 2014 12:04:01 PM
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Wouldn't it be best to engage the professional services of a property valuer? They are many online e.g. Tysons, Lloyd Masika Ltd etc
Tgoldman
#3 Posted : Tuesday, February 04, 2014 12:46:50 PM
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ecsytacy true but they would be charging a hefty fee for a complex that is still not full complete and only awaiting final finishing. From what I am told the apartment complex should be ready by April. All in all, I would prefer to guage wazuans here and do my own tarmacking and compare the locality with existing prices before I pay my initial deposit by mid this month. To be very candid from what I have inquired so far, its price seem to be below par in comparison to the apartments coming up in its vicinity and with pretty much same services. Thanks again ecstacy and looking forward to others feedback. Asanteni all.
Horton
#4 Posted : Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:19:51 PM
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Wait is it an "Apartment complex" or "an apartment"??What's the square footage? Amenities?? Service charge?? How long is the lease?? Is it 99years or the 50yr ones??
Gordon Gekko
#5 Posted : Tuesday, February 04, 2014 3:20:37 PM
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Horton wrote:
Wait is it an "Apartment complex" or "an apartment"??What's the square footage? Amenities?? Service charge?? How long is the lease?? Is it 99years or the 50yr ones??


@Tgoldman, A cousin to a friend of a friend's brother's nephew has just bought 3br all en-suite, sq with own entrance, 252 m2, lift, parking for two, no pool/sauna/gym, 32 units in compound for ksh 23M mortgage. The shainise man would have taken ksh 19M cash money. The lease is 99yrs, started in 1968, service charge 10k - Kileleshwa.

I understand those new walalo apartments at Lenana/Ring Road Kilimani (near SA High Commission) - 3br, one en-suite are going at ksh 23M before bargaining.
african coloner
#6 Posted : Tuesday, February 04, 2014 3:54:16 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
Horton wrote:
Wait is it an "Apartment complex" or "an apartment"??What's the square footage? Amenities?? Service charge?? How long is the lease?? Is it 99years or the 50yr ones??


@Tgoldman, A cousin to a friend of a friend's brother's nephew has just bought 3br all en-suite, sq with own entrance, 252 m2, lift, parking for two, no pool/sauna/gym, 32 units in compound for ksh 23M mortgage. The shainise man would have taken ksh 19M cash money. The lease is 99yrs, started in 1968, service charge 10k - Kileleshwa.

I understand those new walalo apartments at Lenana/Ring Road Kilimani (near SA High Commission) - 3br, one en-suite are going at ksh 23M before bargaining.


You can get a fairy good 0.5 acre plot in garden estate or ridgeways for 15m. Add another 15m and you will build your own character kingdom or castle. My take though.
dunkang
#7 Posted : Tuesday, February 04, 2014 4:45:57 PM
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african coloner wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
Horton wrote:
Wait is it an "Apartment complex" or "an apartment"??What's the square footage? Amenities?? Service charge?? How long is the lease?? Is it 99years or the 50yr ones??


@Tgoldman, A cousin to a friend of a friend's brother's nephew has just bought 3br all en-suite, sq with own entrance, 252 m2, lift, parking for two, no pool/sauna/gym, 32 units in compound for ksh 23M mortgage. The shainise man would have taken ksh 19M cash money. The lease is 99yrs, started in 1968, service charge 10k - Kileleshwa.

I understand those new walalo apartments at Lenana/Ring Road Kilimani (near SA High Commission) - 3br, one en-suite are going at ksh 23M before bargaining.


You can get a fairy good 0.5 acre plot in garden estate or ridgeways for 15m. Add another 15m and you will build your own character kingdom or castle. My take though.

That's the best way to put it in its correct perspective. Even a 5M/= House is acceptable compared to an apartment let alone a 15M/= Castle.
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Horton
#8 Posted : Tuesday, February 04, 2014 6:24:26 PM
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Hmmm @dukang??? Maybe not so. Too many things to consider.
1.Many people don't like stand alone houses due to security issues, hiring all those extra staff(gardeners, watchies, etc)
2. Location? I have a friend who has a beach front 3 br flat in Nyali. Could u compare that to a stand-alone in Utange?(as standalone houses in Nyali are quite rare)

@TGoldman if it's 2250 Sq ft. It's an ok deal. Is it for investment? Don't know much about lenana road, however, I was offered on ole-dume road @16m 3br. But those were 1800sqf and the finishing was ok.
dunkang
#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 7:28:51 AM
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Horton wrote:
Hmmm @dukang??? Maybe not so. Too many things to consider.
1.Many people don't like stand alone houses due to security issues, hiring all those extra staff(gardeners, watchies, etc)


That was a funny one. Guy, you are HILLARIOUS!

Horton wrote:
Hmmm @dukang??? Maybe not so. Too many things to consider.
2. Location? I have a friend who has a beach front 3 br flat in Nyali. Could u compare that to a stand-alone in Utange?(as standalone houses in Nyali are quite rare.


Here, we are comparing Lenana Rd and Garden Estate, and not Lenana Rod and Buruburu.
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

Horton
#10 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 7:32:11 AM
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dunkang wrote:
Horton wrote:
Hmmm @dukang??? Maybe not so. Too many things to consider.
1.Many people don't like stand alone houses due to security issues, hiring all those extra staff(gardeners, watchies, etc)


That was a funny one. Guy, you are HILLARIOUS!

Horton wrote:
Hmmm @dukang??? Maybe not so. Too many things to consider.
2. Location? I have a friend who has a beach front 3 br flat in Nyali. Could u compare that to a stand-alone in Utange?(as standalone houses in Nyali are quite rare.


Here, we are comparing Lenana Rd and Garden Estate, and not Lenana Rod and Buruburu.


What's funny about that? I'm in the business for a long time and it's just what we have seen over the years.
african coloner
#11 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 2:45:39 PM
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Horton wrote:
dunkang wrote:
Horton wrote:
Hmmm @dukang??? Maybe not so. Too many things to consider.
1.Many people don't like stand alone houses due to security issues, hiring all those extra staff(gardeners, watchies, etc)


That was a funny one. Guy, you are HILLARIOUS!

Horton wrote:
Hmmm @dukang??? Maybe not so. Too many things to consider.
2. Location? I have a friend who has a beach front 3 br flat in Nyali. Could u compare that to a stand-alone in Utange?(as standalone houses in Nyali are quite rare.


Here, we are comparing Lenana Rd and Garden Estate, and not Lenana Rod and Buruburu.


What's funny about that? I'm in the business for a long time and it's just what we have seen over the years.


With your reasoning I can tell you are very loaded which is not bad
Horton
#12 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 4:08:27 PM
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@african coloner jes a hustler who understands the market
mulla
#13 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 5:55:16 PM
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@horton....i will take a stand alone house in garden estate any day over an apartment...i am sure many would concur...i will use the money charged from the rip off service fees in apartment complexes to hire G4S or one of the other security firms plus a gardener...that way i am seeing where my money is going as i am sure alot of change from apartment service fees goes into someone's pocket.
mv_ufanisi
#14 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 7:22:39 PM
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mulla wrote:
@horton....i will take a stand alone house in garden estate any day over an apartment...i am sure many would concur...i will use the money charged from the rip off service fees in apartment complexes to hire G4S or one of the other security firms plus a gardener...that way i am seeing where my money is going as i am sure alot of change from apartment service fees goes into someone's pocket.



Much rather an apartment in a nicely planned place like Garden City or Two Rivers.
Mkenia
#15 Posted : Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:57:54 PM
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With that much (KES 20M), get yourself 3 units in Nyayo Estate, Embakassi flat.
You will be assured of 90K per month in rental income and now that Outer Ring road carpeting is in the plan, this income is likely to hit 100K. Can the lenana apartment give you that much?
a4architect.com
#16 Posted : Friday, February 07, 2014 9:22:08 AM
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the kes 20m for 3 nyayo embakasi houses renting at kes 30k per month still gives a low return on investment since it will take 18 years to recoup the capital.

Am offering far much more impressive returns in the Southern Bypass hotel project whereby investors buy a hotel room then collect monthly revenue from it.
Return on investment is estimated to be 6 to 7 years.

http://www.a4architect.c...joint-investment/page/5/
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streetwise
#17 Posted : Friday, February 07, 2014 9:49:08 AM
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My own view..if you are looking to invest in real estate for returns consider constructing houses at the lower end of the market..this will give highest returns.
a4architect.com
#18 Posted : Friday, February 07, 2014 11:37:04 AM
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real estate investment in housing is getting over saturated. It also has low returns, 10 years and above. New methods to invest in hotels, hospitals, schools and shopping malls need to be sought out. These give higher returns but are limited to only locations that are prime, hence difficult to start.
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Gordon Gekko
#19 Posted : Friday, February 07, 2014 12:30:15 PM
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Mkenia wrote:
With that much (KES 20M), get yourself 3 units in Nyayo Estate, Embakassi flat.
You will be assured of 90K per month in rental income and now that Outer Ring road carpeting is in the plan, this income is likely to hit 100K. Can the lenana apartment give you that much?

Single 20M apartment in Kile/Kili will fetch 100-110K......
webish
#20 Posted : Friday, February 07, 2014 12:32:35 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
real estate investment in housing is getting over saturated. It also has low returns, 10 years and above. New methods to invest in hotels, hospitals, schools and shopping malls need to be sought out. These give higher returns but are limited to only locations that are prime, hence difficult to start.


True. And actually for hotels, I think you can make "location" work for you.. Hospitals /School , not quite.

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