Thus they say,an old man sees far while sitted on his three legged stool than a young man atop a tree......

Guka wa bijuti...

Mrs Ida Odinga has condemned the looting and destruction to property caused by the KU students.

Her view is shared by many people,especially by (producers) those who own anything that risks being destroyed everytime some (destroyer/dependant) idiot/student/demonstrator/thief feels like expressing their anger,on you and your property

Congratulations to Ali and his men,twanga kabisa. Instill some much needed discipline. UASU or her appointing authority,handle the VC. The situation begs for better answers.

Who says students can't strike as a last resort if their issues are not addressed?? while at it,was the KU example a legitimate way to make yourself heard??

If you understand the importance of the rule of law in society,we would not be having this shallow defenses of criminality. Impunity has to be brought under control. No one is above the law,no one.

@Guka
Yes,so they say....and how soooo true it is.


Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer but wish we didn't..

@ Njung'e and Leona

In the case of Kenya,I believe we have proved beyond doubt that old people are myopic,selfish,greedy thugs who would rather kill their grand children than share anything with them.

To hell with the old guard.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.

@ Obi 1 Kanobi and Nanfor.

Are u engineers? Ur sense of logic in this issue is correct but too mechanical! The dynamics of social ethics and responsibility are more fluid than that but the principles governing these are non-negotiable except in primitive societies where impunity and anarchy are the norm.

There is no necessary causal connection between KU mismanagement and the resulting criminal conduct! Only children below the age of criminal responsibility (I think it is still 14 in Kenya) may throw criminal tantrums without being held responsible! Your wife can go to jail for it! She has attained the age of criminal responsibility.

There is of course a ka-thread of causal proximity but it is way too remote - unless you r too biased to see that. However,in law,it does not matter. Every person breaking the law bears individual responsibility which is not transferable. Only defences for criminal conduct recognized by civilized societies: provocation (must be on the heat of the moment and not pre-meditated),duress (forced to do it),diminished responsibility,incapacity,alibi,necessity.

Granted,the students clearly have grieavances which the KU VC is responsible for mishandling and that is where her liability ends. She should be fired for it!

I see you are tending towards provocation as their defence; even if they were so provoked and reacted immediately without a moment of thinking,they would still bear responsibility and liability for their actions (not the KU) and somehow ought to make good those wrongs. Students should pay for the damage!

U n Nanfor have skirted the all-important issue of responsibility for one's acts or omissions! U ignore the fact that there are so many other options available to a right thinking grown-up! But if u r both right,then it means our society is so rotten that legitimate means are closed to the majority.

When I was in UoN,we at Parklands campus prided ourselves in never taking part in riots and vandalism - much loved by our brothers n a few sisters in Main. We employed tactics like: boycotting classes,threatening to walk out of campus en mass,petitioning the chancellor,threatening law suits whenever management decided to be obnoxiously obdurate (this is an infectious disease our university administrators suffer from).

NB: I have always thought,one of the best last resort options is boycotts and walk-outs! They worked so well in Parklands campus!

When buying shares,ask yourself,would you buy the whole company?

@ Obi 1 Kanobi

When crimes are committed in large scale such as in riots and the 2008 PEV,the practice is to pick on the chief organisers and a few culprits who were unfortunate enough to be caught in the act or where evidence is readily available,eg. video - just to remind society that a wrong is a wrong is a wrong and two wrongs don't make a right. The rest are made to pay every penny!


When buying shares,ask yourself,would you buy the whole company?

Ku should considerputting paraffin in their diet

Me first,U next

@Ecstacy

What has this thread got to do with PEV's.

My advise is get some closure on your PEV issues.

Talk to your pastor or see a shrink.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.

A heated debate indeed,but I still cant comprehend why a sane person/mature adult would burn his own residence! Sincerely,make me understand. @slykat,u have put up the best argument so far,there were other options,infact numerous. Boycott the damn exams/classes n that is it! These r the same guys who attempted to justify the PEV kweli? Did it change anything?@nanfor,most of us are well conversant with human behaviour n group think...illusions of unanimity,morality,invulnerability etc. Thoz niggaz did wrong!

Truest proverb: Mwenda pole hajikwai

who said they are grown up?