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marko
#61 Posted : Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:28:51 PM
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Joined: 1/7/2007
Posts: 838
Ole Lenku wrote:
marko wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
marko wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
The post is basically hollow, as far as I'm concerned. Too negative n senseless. How have the US forces become suddenly useful, n KDF useless? What did he mean by that?
So he purports UK is doing nothing while BO is busy? Is it even fair to compare Kenya with a hegemony/superpower?

Mere whinning.


Yerp. How do you even compare the two? It is not rosy in Kenya but it is a tard hypocritical to be super impressed by the usual speeches from what is turning out to be the worst performing President in US history and very terribly saddened by an administration (he most likely didn't vote for) less than one year on the job and events in a country that is taking significant human rights and economic development steps in the continent.

Maybe all this whining is all njaanuary based Laughing out loudly
In 2012, Newsweek magazine asked a panel of historians to rank the ten best presidents since 1900. The results showed that historians had ranked 1.Franklin D. Roosevelt 2. Theodore Roosevelt, 3.Lyndon Johnson, 4.Woodrow Wilson, 5.Harry Truman, 6.John F. Kennedy, 7.Dwight Eisenhower, 8.Bill Clinton, 9.Ronald Reagan and 10. Barack Obama as the best since that year.[20]
I hate when some people speak out of ignorance, this ecstacY is an empty shirt and should be condemned by all of us. Obama is one of the worst American presidents, SMH!!!!


When Obama became president he had a chance to at least undo the damage that Bush had done. What did he do? He made the situation worse. The US is more alienated to the rest of the world now than during the Bush era. But the historians were looking at American presidents. I am not surprised he made it on the list.

Do you have any objective way of making this conclusion?


The Obama administration has been spying on Heads of State of allies, the UN, running illegal operations in other countries without their knowledge. Do you think this makes the US the darling of the rest of the world? Have you noticed how he is trying to entice back African countries who have en mass moved to the East? My friend, Africa was always pro-America and if you cannot keep Africa on your side, who can you keep?

The spying issue was just hot air. It was not an Obama idea first of all. All powerful countries do it. In fact most countries envy the capacity Americans have to spy. Consider this:
1. It keeps the Americans and world safe.
2. The Americans can get advance information when negotiating trade deals.


So you are saying it is OK to tap into the telephones of heads of foreign states? And you are also saying this tapping is what is keeping the world safe? At the same time you believe that this tapping is what gives Americans an edge during trade negotiations?
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urstill1
#62 Posted : Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:48:34 PM
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Joined: 9/6/2013
Posts: 1,446
Location: In a house
marko wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
tycho wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
All in all, can we please have a better organized and coherent political opposition in Kenya. It remains noisy, moribund and ultimately ineffective in the current political dispensation.


I don't think Kenya needs an opposition, those who want to maintain opposition politics are those who want to keep the masses in chains.

Agreeing together and acting together is the way. Politics should be about fostering agreement. Joining.

@Tycho, is this a typing error?


No. It's not. If there's to be any opposition then it has to be the market.


There's no market in Kenya.


Then there's no politics; only pseudopolitics.

What is politics? Your understanding of the same is what is required not dictionary definition.


Politics is the joint creation of knowledge, power and resources for the mutual satisfaction of needs.


Thanks. Analyzing your definition, do you think there is knowledge in Kenyan pseudo-politics? Sorry I can not call it politics. As for needs, whose are we talking about here? Definitely not the populace's.


Knowledge can only be identified by its fruit, power. There's power across the land. But how evenly it's distributed across the population and its effect of the people is the measure. If its not optimized to the good of the people then it's pseudo politics.


So ours is pseudo-politics. Are you also engaging in the same?



There is no opposition in Kenya. We have people who do press conferences to oppose government policy, complain about voting patterns in parliament in political rallies over the weekend and walk out of parliament to hold a press conference in protest to a bill they don't like instead of staying and voting against the said bill.


Neither do we have a government. We have tax collectors.
marko
#63 Posted : Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:52:47 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 1/7/2007
Posts: 838
urstill1 wrote:
marko wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
tycho wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
All in all, can we please have a better organized and coherent political opposition in Kenya. It remains noisy, moribund and ultimately ineffective in the current political dispensation.


I don't think Kenya needs an opposition, those who want to maintain opposition politics are those who want to keep the masses in chains.

Agreeing together and acting together is the way. Politics should be about fostering agreement. Joining.

@Tycho, is this a typing error?


No. It's not. If there's to be any opposition then it has to be the market.


There's no market in Kenya.


Then there's no politics; only pseudopolitics.

What is politics? Your understanding of the same is what is required not dictionary definition.


Politics is the joint creation of knowledge, power and resources for the mutual satisfaction of needs.


Thanks. Analyzing your definition, do you think there is knowledge in Kenyan pseudo-politics? Sorry I can not call it politics. As for needs, whose are we talking about here? Definitely not the populace's.


Knowledge can only be identified by its fruit, power. There's power across the land. But how evenly it's distributed across the population and its effect of the people is the measure. If its not optimized to the good of the people then it's pseudo politics.


So ours is pseudo-politics. Are you also engaging in the same?



There is no opposition in Kenya. We have people who do press conferences to oppose government policy, complain about voting patterns in parliament in political rallies over the weekend and walk out of parliament to hold a press conference in protest to a bill they don't like instead of staying and voting against the said bill.


Neither do we have a government. We have tax collectors.


That is true and a shame. Kenyans are an oppressed lot.
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urstill1
#64 Posted : Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:53:44 PM
Rank: User

Joined: 9/6/2013
Posts: 1,446
Location: In a house
tycho wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
tycho wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
All in all, can we please have a better organized and coherent political opposition in Kenya. It remains noisy, moribund and ultimately ineffective in the current political dispensation.


I don't think Kenya needs an opposition, those who want to maintain opposition politics are those who want to keep the masses in chains.

Agreeing together and acting together is the way. Politics should be about fostering agreement. Joining.

@Tycho, is this a typing error?


No. It's not. If there's to be any opposition then it has to be the market.


There's no market in Kenya.


Then there's no politics; only pseudopolitics.

What is politics? Your understanding of the same is what is required not dictionary definition.


Politics is the joint creation of knowledge, power and resources for the mutual satisfaction of needs.


Thanks. Analyzing your definition, do you think there is knowledge in Kenyan pseudo-politics? Sorry I can not call it politics. As for needs, whose are we talking about here? Definitely not the populace's.


Knowledge can only be identified by its fruit, power. There's power across the land. But how evenly it's distributed across the population and its effect of the people is the measure. If its not optimized to the good of the people then it's pseudo politics.


So ours is pseudo-politics. Are you also engaging in the same?


Now and then, when around the masked, I cling to my mask. And I indulge in pseudopolitics.

But thinking of this post has made me more political.


So you are always less political if not apolitical? The term politics is quite broad. No human being can afford to be completely apolitical. One can only decide not to engage in country governorship pseudo-politics. That said, there is politics(most pseudo-politics) everywhere, religion inclusive.
urstill1
#65 Posted : Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:58:55 PM
Rank: User

Joined: 9/6/2013
Posts: 1,446
Location: In a house
marko wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
marko wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
tycho wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
All in all, can we please have a better organized and coherent political opposition in Kenya. It remains noisy, moribund and ultimately ineffective in the current political dispensation.


I don't think Kenya needs an opposition, those who want to maintain opposition politics are those who want to keep the masses in chains.

Agreeing together and acting together is the way. Politics should be about fostering agreement. Joining.

@Tycho, is this a typing error?


No. It's not. If there's to be any opposition then it has to be the market.


There's no market in Kenya.


Then there's no politics; only pseudopolitics.

What is politics? Your understanding of the same is what is required not dictionary definition.


Politics is the joint creation of knowledge, power and resources for the mutual satisfaction of needs.


Thanks. Analyzing your definition, do you think there is knowledge in Kenyan pseudo-politics? Sorry I can not call it politics. As for needs, whose are we talking about here? Definitely not the populace's.


Knowledge can only be identified by its fruit, power. There's power across the land. But how evenly it's distributed across the population and its effect of the people is the measure. If its not optimized to the good of the people then it's pseudo politics.


So ours is pseudo-politics. Are you also engaging in the same?



There is no opposition in Kenya. We have people who do press conferences to oppose government policy, complain about voting patterns in parliament in political rallies over the weekend and walk out of parliament to hold a press conference in protest to a bill they don't like instead of staying and voting against the said bill.


Neither do we have a government. We have tax collectors.


That is true and a shame. Kenyans are an oppressed lot.


That became clear to me when I wanted a refund. Long story short, I never got it despite meeting all that is required. The greatest part is that few months down the line my employer made a mistake in taxes. That specific month my account shocked me. Nicest part, I had sent a resignation letter a month earlier. That's the last time I held a taxable salaried position.
marko
#66 Posted : Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:04:10 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 1/7/2007
Posts: 838
urstill1 wrote:
marko wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
marko wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
tycho wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
All in all, can we please have a better organized and coherent political opposition in Kenya. It remains noisy, moribund and ultimately ineffective in the current political dispensation.


I don't think Kenya needs an opposition, those who want to maintain opposition politics are those who want to keep the masses in chains.

Agreeing together and acting together is the way. Politics should be about fostering agreement. Joining.

@Tycho, is this a typing error?


No. It's not. If there's to be any opposition then it has to be the market.


There's no market in Kenya.


Then there's no politics; only pseudopolitics.

What is politics? Your understanding of the same is what is required not dictionary definition.


Politics is the joint creation of knowledge, power and resources for the mutual satisfaction of needs.


Thanks. Analyzing your definition, do you think there is knowledge in Kenyan pseudo-politics? Sorry I can not call it politics. As for needs, whose are we talking about here? Definitely not the populace's.


Knowledge can only be identified by its fruit, power. There's power across the land. But how evenly it's distributed across the population and its effect of the people is the measure. If its not optimized to the good of the people then it's pseudo politics.


So ours is pseudo-politics. Are you also engaging in the same?



There is no opposition in Kenya. We have people who do press conferences to oppose government policy, complain about voting patterns in parliament in political rallies over the weekend and walk out of parliament to hold a press conference in protest to a bill they don't like instead of staying and voting against the said bill.


Neither do we have a government. We have tax collectors.


That is true and a shame. Kenyans are an oppressed lot.


That became clear to me when I wanted a refund. Long story short, I never got despite meeting all that is required. The greatest part is that few months down the line my employer made a mistake in taxes. That specific month my account shocked me. Nicest part, I had sent a resignation letter a month earlier. That's the last time I held a taxable salaried position.


I gave up on the refund business a long time ago but I still obediently fill the forms like a good citizen. The day I cut the umbilical cord that connects me to the taxable salary I will be a happy man.
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Ole Lenku
#67 Posted : Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:07:45 PM
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Joined: 11/25/2013
Posts: 402
marko wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
marko wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
marko wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
The post is basically hollow, as far as I'm concerned. Too negative n senseless. How have the US forces become suddenly useful, n KDF useless? What did he mean by that?
So he purports UK is doing nothing while BO is busy? Is it even fair to compare Kenya with a hegemony/superpower?

Mere whinning.


Yerp. How do you even compare the two? It is not rosy in Kenya but it is a tard hypocritical to be super impressed by the usual speeches from what is turning out to be the worst performing President in US history and very terribly saddened by an administration (he most likely didn't vote for) less than one year on the job and events in a country that is taking significant human rights and economic development steps in the continent.

Maybe all this whining is all njaanuary based Laughing out loudly
In 2012, Newsweek magazine asked a panel of historians to rank the ten best presidents since 1900. The results showed that historians had ranked 1.Franklin D. Roosevelt 2. Theodore Roosevelt, 3.Lyndon Johnson, 4.Woodrow Wilson, 5.Harry Truman, 6.John F. Kennedy, 7.Dwight Eisenhower, 8.Bill Clinton, 9.Ronald Reagan and 10. Barack Obama as the best since that year.[20]
I hate when some people speak out of ignorance, this ecstacY is an empty shirt and should be condemned by all of us. Obama is one of the worst American presidents, SMH!!!!


When Obama became president he had a chance to at least undo the damage that Bush had done. What did he do? He made the situation worse. The US is more alienated to the rest of the world now than during the Bush era. But the historians were looking at American presidents. I am not surprised he made it on the list.

Do you have any objective way of making this conclusion?


The Obama administration has been spying on Heads of State of allies, the UN, running illegal operations in other countries without their knowledge. Do you think this makes the US the darling of the rest of the world? Have you noticed how he is trying to entice back African countries who have en mass moved to the East? My friend, Africa was always pro-America and if you cannot keep Africa on your side, who can you keep?

The spying issue was just hot air. It was not an Obama idea first of all. All powerful countries do it. In fact most countries envy the capacity Americans have to spy. Consider this:
1. It keeps the Americans and world safe.
2. The Americans can get advance information when negotiating trade deals.


So you are saying it is OK to tap into the telephones of heads of foreign states? And you are also saying this tapping is what is keeping the world safe? At the same time you believe that this tapping is what gives Americans an edge during trade negotiations?

If you can't see the value of espionage in preventing terrorist attacks and trade negotiations then I can't help you.
symbols
#68 Posted : Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:58:53 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
Ole Lenku wrote:
marko wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
marko wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
marko wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
The post is basically hollow, as far as I'm concerned. Too negative n senseless. How have the US forces become suddenly useful, n KDF useless? What did he mean by that?
So he purports UK is doing nothing while BO is busy? Is it even fair to compare Kenya with a hegemony/superpower?

Mere whinning.


Yerp. How do you even compare the two? It is not rosy in Kenya but it is a tard hypocritical to be super impressed by the usual speeches from what is turning out to be the worst performing President in US history and very terribly saddened by an administration (he most likely didn't vote for) less than one year on the job and events in a country that is taking significant human rights and economic development steps in the continent.

Maybe all this whining is all njaanuary based Laughing out loudly
In 2012, Newsweek magazine asked a panel of historians to rank the ten best presidents since 1900. The results showed that historians had ranked 1.Franklin D. Roosevelt 2. Theodore Roosevelt, 3.Lyndon Johnson, 4.Woodrow Wilson, 5.Harry Truman, 6.John F. Kennedy, 7.Dwight Eisenhower, 8.Bill Clinton, 9.Ronald Reagan and 10. Barack Obama as the best since that year.[20]
I hate when some people speak out of ignorance, this ecstacY is an empty shirt and should be condemned by all of us. Obama is one of the worst American presidents, SMH!!!!


When Obama became president he had a chance to at least undo the damage that Bush had done. What did he do? He made the situation worse. The US is more alienated to the rest of the world now than during the Bush era. But the historians were looking at American presidents. I am not surprised he made it on the list.

Do you have any objective way of making this conclusion?


The Obama administration has been spying on Heads of State of allies, the UN, running illegal operations in other countries without their knowledge. Do you think this makes the US the darling of the rest of the world? Have you noticed how he is trying to entice back African countries who have en mass moved to the East? My friend, Africa was always pro-America and if you cannot keep Africa on your side, who can you keep?

The spying issue was just hot air. It was not an Obama idea first of all. All powerful countries do it. In fact most countries envy the capacity Americans have to spy. Consider this:
1. It keeps the Americans and world safe.
2. The Americans can get advance information when negotiating trade deals.


So you are saying it is OK to tap into the telephones of heads of foreign states? And you are also saying this tapping is what is keeping the world safe? At the same time you believe that this tapping is what gives Americans an edge during trade negotiations?

If you can't see the value of espionage in preventing terrorist attacks and trade negotiations then I can't help you.


Can there be democracy if you know what the citizens are thinking?Won't you just script the perfect pitch/candidate?
Rollout
#69 Posted : Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:13:02 PM
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Joined: 4/26/2011
Posts: 759
Negative Energy:

When you read through the comments on this post, nothing is captured clearly more than negative energy. Leaders are representation of those who elected them so when you see or listen to what's happening in Kenya always remember that majority of Kenyans are either actively perpetrating or allowing these things to happen. Kenyans are their own worst enemies!

I grew up in a village where it was somehow ok to beat your wife, one of my neighbors wife would scream every morning and people allowed it. In my town people ride matatu driven by drunk drivers! If you are lucky to drive a car, you deal with crazy drivers and people allow that to happen, drivers block intersections and all you need to do it point at where you want to go and drive right in! When you have a job and can afford to hire a maid we treat them like second class human, we over work them and underpay them. Therefore, when you see what is happening in the country always remember thats how majority of Kenyan would do given the chance!
urstill1
#70 Posted : Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:32:13 PM
Rank: User

Joined: 9/6/2013
Posts: 1,446
Location: In a house
Rollout wrote:
Negative Energy:

When you read through the comments on this post, nothing is captured clearly more than negative energy. Leaders are representation of those who elected them so when you see or listen to what's happening in Kenya always remember that majority of Kenyans are either actively perpetrating or allowing these things to happen. Kenyans are their own worst enemies!

I grew up in a village where it was somehow ok to beat your wife, one of my neighbors wife would scream every morning and people allowed it. In my town people ride matatu driven by drunk drivers! If you are lucky to drive a car, you deal with crazy drivers and people allow that to happen, drivers block intersections and all you need to do it point at where you want to go and drive right in! When you have a job and can afford to hire a maid we treat them like second class human, we over work them and underpay them. Therefore, when you see what is happening in the country always remember thats how majority of Kenyan would do given the chance!


There are always exemptions in every case. In our Kenyan scenario, we have exemptions. Attempts to straighten things is met with an equally crooked force on the other side. Ask PLO. He knows better. How many times have you heard guys reporting stuff and no action taken?

As for election, once a majority has been manipulated with pseudo-politcs and bribed the minority can only be observers. In last year's election we were doomed whichever way it went. I'm proud to say that I never voted. I went and invested that free time elsewhere. I'm proud I did that since I'm enjoying the fruits. Reason for doing that, I do not believe in our current crop of leaders and the decisions a majority of us make in the voting booth, of course there are exemptions.
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