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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,723
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Alba wrote:@ Ole Lenku
USA is a rich country. They can afford to throw money away while learning from their mistakes.
Kenya is too poor to be spending money paying hundreds and hundreds of idlers. (I am including senators and their staff)
While the tax payer pays these idlers, Kenya has inadequate hospitals, poor infrastructure, poor schools , inadequate policing, poor security na mengineo.
I would take all that money spent on senators and instead hire hundreds more policemen to patrol. I just read about a women being shot and robbed at Kencom in broad daylight.
Priorities nayo In summary you want to be a dictator. Your ideas may be good but they lack foundation. You need to know how to make them work in the system that we have. To take your example above you can still accomplish this by petitioning either a 2 thirds majority in parliament to amend the constitution to abolish the senate or petition a million people to demand a referendum to make another constitution to eliminate the senate. Once you have accomplished this you will need to petition the Commission of Revenue allocation to have more revenue allocated to security and specifically the police. Once this has been accomplished I am sure the Police service Commission will have to be involved in the decision to hire more police officers. I may have got myself mixed up in who needs to be consulted for what above but my point is, to fire a senator and hire a police man to save a woman from being mugged at Kencom is a long convoluted process that can take many years and millions or billions of shillings.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Alba wrote:@ Ole Lenku
USA is a rich country. They can afford to throw money away while learning from their mistakes.
Kenya is too poor to be spending money paying hundreds and hundreds of idlers. (I am including senators and their staff)
While the tax payer pays these idlers, Kenya has inadequate hospitals, poor infrastructure, poor schools , inadequate policing, poor security na mengineo.
I would take all that money spent on senators and instead hire hundreds more policemen to patrol. I just read about a women being shot and robbed at Kencom in broad daylight.
Priorities nayo The USA was not rich when they wrote their constitution. How about we plan to grow the counties wallets. We have hundreds of policemen idling in offices "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/25/2013 Posts: 402
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murchr wrote:Alba wrote:@ Ole Lenku
USA is a rich country. They can afford to throw money away while learning from their mistakes.
Kenya is too poor to be spending money paying hundreds and hundreds of idlers. (I am including senators and their staff)
While the tax payer pays these idlers, Kenya has inadequate hospitals, poor infrastructure, poor schools , inadequate policing, poor security na mengineo.
I would take all that money spent on senators and instead hire hundreds more policemen to patrol. I just read about a women being shot and robbed at Kencom in broad daylight.
Priorities nayo The USA was not rich when they wrote their constitution. How about we plan to grow the counties wallets. We have hundreds of policemen idling in offices I am surprised our views are aligned. They have taken more than 200 years to get it right and we can domit too.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Ole Lenk, I don't think many amendments make US a better democracy than Kenya. BTW, we copied most of our structure from them but while we need to learn from them, we also need to think for ourselves and what is good for us. What do you think of the SA system?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/25/2013 Posts: 402
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Lolest! wrote:Ole Lenk, I don't think many amendments make US a better democracy than Kenya. BTW, we copied most of our structure from them but while we need to learn from them, we also need to think for ourselves and what is good for us. What do you think of the SA system? 1. The amendment are inevitable as you cant have a perfect document from the word go. What I meant is that as we use the constitution, we will realize there are weaknesses and rectify them. (BTW I think the US constitution has been ammended few times for its age) 2. South Africa:Population of 52 million, with upper house having 90 members and lower house having 400 persons. We are simmilar in terms of ratio of upper/lower house member per person. What strikes me is that they have only nine provinces/states/counties unlike us with 47. They also have local municipalities equivalent of our town/county/city councils. Remember their GDP is 384.3 billion USD while ours is 37.2 billion USD. Our counties are too many and the former provinces can serve us better. That way we have about 10 governors while maintaining local authorities.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2013 Posts: 659
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Alba wrote:All those things you mentioned can be accomplished by governors and MPs.
With regard to #4, all Kenyan counties are guaranteed funding. There is no need for senators to champion for anything.
Do you know of any Kenyan senator who has accomplished #4 above ?
Kenyan senators receive over 1 million in salary and benefits every month. That money would be better spent digging boreholes, fixing classrooms, repairing roads, repairing stadiums etc.
Senators are not worthwhile. What has any of them accomplished so far ? Can the Council of Governors check on the Legislature? In the matter of comparing the U.S, Senate and Kenya's, they do significantly differ in that, the State are sovereign and surrender some of their powers to the national government. USA was not a single state during inception but states that came together. If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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jmbada wrote:simonkabz wrote:Much as I have come to dislike these devolved units, I hereby stand in defence of Kilifi county govt for purchasing the 140m mansion.
1. I have seen some counties proposing spending close to 400m esp nyanza n wesdan.
2. It's a one off buyout. It would have been bought either way, sooner or later, n the sooner the better. In defence? 1. Person A wasted less cash than person B, so Person A's wasted money is okay??? 2. Person B or their successor would have wasted money anyway so they might as well blow the cash right now, when it's most desperately needed! Who says this is a one-off? a) The facilities are not necessary. Governor does not need to entertain anyone and hold meetings in their house, that's what offices and conference facilities are for! b) Every successor will spend North of KES50MM on renovations / fumigation / updating equipment, so again not a one-off c) Also likely that a successor would say that the property is unnecessary and then auction it off at a throw-away price! It's not wastage~maybe lack of priority. Muranga Governer operates from Nairobi daily. I wouldn't mind if they built one at a fair cost. I stand by my post. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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 In matters revenue, senate comes to the rescue. Quote:Mr Kerrow said the Senate was not opposed to counties raising additional revenue but had serious reservations about the method of execution.
Besides the failure to consult the Treasury and CRA as required by the Constitution, the Senate committee further found that county governments had failed the test of public participation in passing the new tax laws.
The Senate hearing came in the wake of growing public protests against tax measures the Kiambu, Mombasa, Murang’a, Kakamega and Bomet counties have recently introduced, including levies on staple foods such as bananas, potatoes and livestock.
County governments’ powers to impose taxes without reference to the national government are limited to property rates and entertainment taxes, the Senate said. Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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??? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/27/2009 Posts: 1,437
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simonkabz wrote:jmbada wrote:simonkabz wrote:Much as I have come to dislike these devolved units, I hereby stand in defence of Kilifi county govt for purchasing the 140m mansion.
1. I have seen some counties proposing spending close to 400m esp nyanza n wesdan.
2. It's a one off buyout. It would have been bought either way, sooner or later, n the sooner the better. In defence? 1. Person A wasted less cash than person B, so Person A's wasted money is okay??? 2. Person B or their successor would have wasted money anyway so they might as well blow the cash right now, when it's most desperately needed! Who says this is a one-off? a) The facilities are not necessary. Governor does not need to entertain anyone and hold meetings in their house, that's what offices and conference facilities are for! b) Every successor will spend North of KES50MM on renovations / fumigation / updating equipment, so again not a one-off c) Also likely that a successor would say that the property is unnecessary and then auction it off at a throw-away price! It's not wastage~maybe lack of priority. Muranga Governer operates from Nairobi daily. I wouldn't mind if they built one at a fair cost. I stand by my post. I thought this guy lives in Gatanga (Maki) and commutes to Nairobi to his other job? IPS. Yaani he is not a full time Gavana.
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