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Abolish County Governments!!!!
Pedes
#81 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:46:36 PM
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Alba wrote:
Pedes wrote:
Alba wrote:
Senators are useless and accomplish nothing in the Grand scheme of things. The senate should be abolished along with women's representatives. The money being spent on senators and womens reps would be better spent on development.

But county governments are a God send. Now people can actually decide for themselves what they want in their area. The days of government refusing to develop some areas as political retribution as Kenyatta and Moi did are gone.

Governors like Mutua are setting a sterling example. If other governors do not follow suit, they will find themselves in the cold come 2017. Eventually many years from now, Kenyans will have learned their lessons are at least half the governors will be competent people. What you see now are growing pains.

Mutua is putting others to shame
http://kenyapage.net/com...kisumu-county-to-shame/


Senators, Mps and Governors are like a three legged stool. Take one off a devolution becomes a cropper.


What exactly do senators accomplish ?


1.Represents the counties, and serves to protect the interests of the counties and their governments.
2.Participates in law-making particularly at the counties level.
3.Determines the allocation of national revenue among counties.
4.Oversees national revenue allocation to the county governments.
5.Participates in overseeing State officers.

So without the Senate,who will champion 4, considering you'll be left with MP's who want a share of te same National revenue for CDF?
If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
Alba
#82 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:12:50 PM
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All those things you mentioned can be accomplished by governors and MPs.

With regard to #4, all Kenyan counties are guaranteed funding. There is no need for senators to champion for anything.

Do you know of any Kenyan senator who has accomplished #4 above ?

Kenyan senators receive over 1 million in salary and benefits every month. That money would be better spent digging boreholes, fixing classrooms, repairing roads, repairing stadiums etc.

Senators are not worthwhile. What has any of them accomplished so far ?
Lolest!
#83 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:22:19 PM
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Goodpeople, you never get my argument. The senate is not representative and thus cannot be used as the only legislature. The National Assembly has a more democratic representation. Let's not forget democracy is the rule of one man one vote. With the senate, it's Nairobi's population getting equal votes with Lamu! That's not democracy
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Ole Lenku
#84 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:31:50 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Goodpeople, you never get my argument. The senate is not representative and thus cannot be used as the only legislature. The National Assembly has a more democratic representation. Let's not forget democracy is the rule of one man one vote. With the senate, it's Nairobi's population getting equal votes with Lamu! That's not democracy

Most people agree that the US is one ofthe most democratic countries in the world.
California is a state with 2 US senators representing 38,332,521 people.
Wyoming is a state with 2 US senators representing 582,658 people.
Is that fair?
Lolest!
#85 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:33:46 PM
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@pedes, senate has no role in the county govt's legislation. Huko kuna CA...maybe u mean any legislation to do with counties but at the national level. I still think we don't need the senate as currently constituted as most of that can be done by council of governors and national assembly
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Lolest!
#86 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:36:03 PM
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Ole Lenku wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Goodpeople, you never get my argument. The senate is not representative and thus cannot be used as the only legislature. The National Assembly has a more democratic representation. Let's not forget democracy is the rule of one man one vote. With the senate, it's Nairobi's population getting equal votes with Lamu! That's not democracy

Most people agree that the US is one ofthe most democratic countries in the world.
California is a state with 2 US senators representing 38,332,521 people.
Wyoming is a state with 2 US senators representing 582,658 people.
Is that fair?

not fair. US system is too confused to be called a democracy.
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Ole Lenku
#87 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:56:33 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Goodpeople, you never get my argument. The senate is not representative and thus cannot be used as the only legislature. The National Assembly has a more democratic representation. Let's not forget democracy is the rule of one man one vote. With the senate, it's Nairobi's population getting equal votes with Lamu! That's not democracy

Most people agree that the US is one ofthe most democratic countries in the world.
California is a state with 2 US senators representing 38,332,521 people.
Wyoming is a state with 2 US senators representing 582,658 people.
Is that fair?

not fair. US system is too confused to be called a democracy.

I think the U.S has a fairly good constitution I say that because only 27 amendments have been made since 1789, and only once in the last 40 yrs. You are going a bit too far by saying USA is not a democracy. Please show me a country with perfectly fair representation. I suspect all constitutions have shortcomings and ours is no exception. What we need to do is to continue debating and amending where necessary.At the end of the day we should not let perfection be the enemy of the good.
Alba
#88 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:14:58 PM
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I think the U.S has a fairly good constitution I say that because only 27 amendments have been made since 1789, and only once in the last 40 yrs. You are going a bit too far by saying USA is not a democracy. Please show me a country with perfectly fair representation. I suspect all constitutions have shortcomings and ours is no exception. What we need to do is to continue debating and amending where necessary.At the end of the day we should not let perfection be the enemy of the good.


Senators are being paid Ksh 1 million per month. Kenya a poor country cannot afford such nonesense.

Around 2006-2007 I spoke with a chap who was running for Parliament. I asked him why and he said it was 100% for the money and he had little to no interest in anything else. Most Kenyan MPs are of similar ilk. So now we have an unproductive parliament and we add insult to injury by adding an unproductive senate ?

And please do not compare USA to Kenya. We are an immature democracy. Those people (USA) vote on issues and there is no rigging. A senator who does not perform to his constituents liking will not be re-elected. Kenya's democracy is not just immature. It is a joke. I guarantee that most senators will have accomplished nothing by 2017 and their re-election will not be based on performance or any contribution.

Imagine a job where you are paid a fortune for literally doing nothing.

It is no wonder that Kenya's parliament is so unproductive. In fact it was more productive during the one party Nyayo days.



Ole Lenku
#89 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:59:53 PM
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Alba wrote:
Quote:
I think the U.S has a fairly good constitution I say that because only 27 amendments have been made since 1789, and only once in the last 40 yrs. You are going a bit too far by saying USA is not a democracy. Please show me a country with perfectly fair representation. I suspect all constitutions have shortcomings and ours is no exception. What we need to do is to continue debating and amending where necessary.At the end of the day we should not let perfection be the enemy of the good.


Senators are being paid Ksh 1 million per month. Kenya a poor country cannot afford such nonesense.

Around 2006-2007 I spoke with a chap who was running for Parliament. I asked him why and he said it was 100% for the money and he had little to no interest in anything else. Most Kenyan MPs are of similar ilk. So now we have an unproductive parliament and we add insult to injury by adding an unproductive senate ?

And please do not compare USA to Kenya. We are an immature democracy. Those people (USA) vote on issues and there is no rigging. A senator who does not perform to his constituents liking will not be re-elected. Kenya's democracy is not just immature. It is a joke. I guarantee that most senators will have accomplished nothing by 2017 and their re-election will not be based on performance or any contribution.

Imagine a job where you are paid a fortune for literally doing nothing.

It is no wonder that Kenya's parliament is so unproductive. In fact it was more productive during the one party Nyayo days.




I was illustrating 2 points when I pointed out the example of the US.
1. It takes a long time to get these things right(1789 constitution vs 2010 constitution).
2. After 200 years it still will not be perfect.
Alba
#90 Posted : Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:25:51 PM
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@ Ole Lenku

USA is a rich country. They can afford to throw money away while learning from their mistakes.

Kenya is too poor to be spending money paying hundreds and hundreds of idlers. (I am including senators and their staff)

While the tax payer pays these idlers, Kenya has inadequate hospitals, poor infrastructure, poor schools , inadequate policing, poor security na mengineo.


I would take all that money spent on senators and instead hire hundreds more policemen to patrol. I just read about a women being shot and robbed at Kencom in broad daylight.

Priorities nayo
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