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tycho wrote:Njung'e wrote:This thread has officially been hijacked by aliens.Tunaomba serikali iingilie katikati. Hahaha! Kwani aliens ni wangapi? Muriel ako kwa list? What? List gani? Anyway, this is the point where akina Alba have it all wrong. This is not merely a matter of religion. Even if they are met on neutral ground where they still fail to present a case with evidence. They just make political noise. And tell those who want quiet and harmony that they have a right to make noise. Illogical. They can do whatever they do in their bedrooms quietly. Evolution, that I hasten to add has nothing to do with religion, requires that within species, individuals within a species who exibit certain characteristics that are not advantegeous get sifted out. They die and become extinct. All of them. Without exception. One of these characteristics is inability to reproduce. They say gayism is in the gene, so it is evolutionary. For anything evolutionary to survive it has to be fit, or superior. Shall then we wait for natural selection to take its course on these individuals who are not up to speed on the evolutionary ladder? Extinction. Extermination. Annihilation. And they thought it has to do only with religion. This idea of proselytization to ensure succession, 'offspring' is what I don't like. Gays I like. Not everybody digs those politics and this is what Alba and group are striving to steer the debate to. Where the loudest noisemaker wins.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/11/2007 Posts: 694
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After listening to him on Friday I couldn't help but feel pity for him. To make the matters worse he was wearing a pink dress  aiiii hata kama ni kutoka kwa closet.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/25/2013 Posts: 402
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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 He he he...with the revelation of his orientation, his wear automatically became a dress. Anyway, one question about gay people that makes me wonder. The mere fact that the "male" guy will end up looking for that guy who behaves "like a girl/woman" with lipstake, hair is done in a way, sounds like a girl etc etc shows that even in their orientation, they are attracted towards a "woman". One of the issues that shows a guy has those orientation very fast is when he starts behaving or exhibiting "tabia za wamama". That is when you will start hearing guys ask "Mbona unabehave kama gay?" If its being attracted to men, why not go for those naturally looking men, without them modifying their "man-ness"? If you have to go for a man who tends to behave like a woman, doesnt it show then that naturally you would be looking for an opposite person n probable a woman? I totally dont get their argument. How comes none of them have ever approached me for example? Though he would end up with a heavy punch on his face before we start reasoning together
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/11/2007 Posts: 694
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@ole You can confirm from "The Trend" on Friday with Larry.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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washiku wrote: He he he...with the revelation of his orientation, his wear automatically became a dress. Anyway, one question about gay people that makes me wonder. The mere fact that the "male" guy will end up looking for that guy who behaves "like a girl/woman" with lipstake, hair is done in a way, sounds like a girl etc etc shows that even in their orientation, they are attracted towards a "woman". One of the issues that shows a guy has those orientation very fast is when he starts behaving or exhibiting "tabia za wamama". That is when you will start hearing guys ask "Mbona unabehave kama gay?" If its being attracted to men, why not go for those naturally looking men, without them modifying their "man-ness"? If you have to go for a man who tends to behave like a woman, doesnt it show then that naturally you would be looking for an opposite person n probable a woman? I totally dont get their argument. How comes none of them have ever approached me for example? Though he would end up with a heavy punch on his face before we start reasoning together lol. Another excellent point! Male gays ought to be attracted to 'rugged and manly' men not a feminized man.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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washiku wrote: He he he...with the revelation of his orientation, his wear automatically became a dress. Anyway, one question about gay people that makes me wonder. The mere fact that the "male" guy will end up looking for that guy who behaves "like a girl/woman" with lipstake, hair is done in a way, sounds like a girl etc etc shows that even in their orientation, they are attracted towards a "woman". One of the issues that shows a guy has those orientation very fast is when he starts behaving or exhibiting "tabia za wamama". That is when you will start hearing guys ask "Mbona unabehave kama gay?" If its being attracted to men, why not go for those naturally looking men, without them modifying their "man-ness"? If you have to go for a man who tends to behave like a woman, doesnt it show then that naturally you would be looking for an opposite person n probable a woman? I totally dont get their argument. How comes none of them have ever approached me for example? Though he would end up with a heavy punch on his face before we start reasoning together Wewe utapatana na @Tycho akiwa Phallus!
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/25/2013 Posts: 552 Location: Asgard
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sheri wrote:After listening to him on Friday I couldn't help but feel pity for him. To make the matters worse he was wearing a pink dress aiiii hata kama ni kutoka kwa closet. The way he was behaving on the trend, i think hes the plugged socket in the relationship. The dude whos landing him kweli ni shujaa
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,905
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Pole Wazeiya, got a little carried away! Wish the Binyavanga man all the best - he said on TV he's making a political statement. Couldn't help thinking why does he need a coping mechanism and what is he making up for, even with his 'Mavuno Mabenzis'? At the end of the day, it's a man's burden to quieten his conscience, live with himself, justify his actions. Sadly: - a man cannot live counter to his true nature and be truly happy - a man cannot indulge his every flaw, every lust; and attain grit - a man cannot be striving for recognition and acceptance and be truly free - a man would not encourage a 12yr old child, at the onset of puberty, to go on a try-out 'gay-date', then sleep contended with a smile. The choices we make, reveal the true nature of our character.PEACE. sheri wrote:After listening to him on Friday I couldn't help but feel pity for him. To make the matters worse he was wearing a pink dress aiiii hata kama ni kutoka kwa closet.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I can only hope that we'll stop looking at Binyavanga and anyone whose come out of the closet and look at the matter of homosexuality in itself and address the challenges it poses to all of us.
One thing that's apparent is that we have very little information on this matter, and in taking strong moral positions we do ourselves disfavor, and even perpetuate the evils we shun. We shoot and lynch thieves and robbers, yet their numbers increase by the day.
I happen to have been introduced to both sexual orientations at a very early age. And I have 'God' to thank because somehow I have managed to look at the effects of these experiences with a level head, and even heal. But not so for my 'initiators'. I've watched families getting destroyed and people losing their lives because of these matters. I have seen people being pushed to the limits, and even the moral standards that we often subscribe to being pushed aside, or falling apart. This matter is tougher than you can imagine.
It's a historical force, and effect, and the way to go about it is to create a culture and symbolism that's different from what we presently have.
Empathy, dedicated investigation, love and patience are what we need. Not self righteousness.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2007 Posts: 1,162
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Kenyan gays finally have a face, more gay people should come out so that Kenyans realise that gay people are not Lilliputians
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,905
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@tycho thank you for sharing, I'm the better for it. I understand and empathise. All's for the Good. PEACE. tycho wrote:I can only hope that we'll stop looking at Binyavanga and anyone whose come out of the closet and look at the matter of homosexuality in itself and address the challenges it poses to all of us.
One thing that's apparent is that we have very little information on this matter, and in taking strong moral positions we do ourselves disfavor, and even perpetuate the evils we shun. We shoot and lynch thieves and robbers, yet their numbers increase by the day.
I happen to have been introduced to both sexual orientations at a very early age. And I have 'God' to thank because somehow I have managed to look at the effects of these experiences with a level head, and even heal. But not so for my 'initiators'. I've watched families getting destroyed and people losing their lives because of these matters. I have seen people being pushed to the limits, and even the moral standards that we often subscribe to being pushed aside, or falling apart. This matter is tougher than you can imagine.
It's a historical force, and effect, and the way to go about it is to create a culture and symbolism that's different from what we presently have.
Empathy, dedicated investigation, love and patience are what we need. Not self righteousness.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:I can only hope that we'll stop looking at Binyavanga and anyone whose come out of the closet and look at the matter of homosexuality in itself and address the challenges it poses to all of us.
One thing that's apparent is that we have very little information on this matter, and in taking strong moral positions we do ourselves disfavor, and even perpetuate the evils we shun. We shoot and lynch thieves and robbers, yet their numbers increase by the day.
I happen to have been introduced to both sexual orientations at a very early age. And I have 'God' to thank because somehow I have managed to look at the effects of these experiences with a level head, and even heal. But not so for my 'initiators'. I've watched families getting destroyed and people losing their lives because of these matters. I have seen people being pushed to the limits, and even the moral standards that we often subscribe to being pushed aside, or falling apart. This matter is tougher than you can imagine.
It's a historical force, and effect, and the way to go about it is to create a culture and symbolism that's different from what we presently have.
Empathy, dedicated investigation, love and patience are what we need. Not self righteousness. Sawa sawa. Sasa ile maneno yetu ingine - when will we start it? For example how can you be against 'self righteousness' yet you are god? Your righteousness is within. Hii ni balaa gani umeanzisha?
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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The pink dress 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/19/2012 Posts: 552
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majimaji wrote:
Kenyan gays finally have a face, more gay people should come out so that Kenyans realise that gay people are not Lilliputians
MK might be the next one we hear of getting out of the closet Too often we underestimate the power of a touch, a smile, a kind word, a listening ear, an honest compliment, or the smallest act of caring, all of which have the potential to turn a life around.... Leo Buscaglia
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/11/2007 Posts: 694
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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Never ever, ours are real stuff  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:I can only hope that we'll stop looking at Binyavanga and anyone whose come out of the closet and look at the matter of homosexuality in itself and address the challenges it poses to all of us.
One thing that's apparent is that we have very little information on this matter, and in taking strong moral positions we do ourselves disfavor, and even perpetuate the evils we shun. We shoot and lynch thieves and robbers, yet their numbers increase by the day.
I happen to have been introduced to both sexual orientations at a very early age. And I have 'God' to thank because somehow I have managed to look at the effects of these experiences with a level head, and even heal. But not so for my 'initiators'. I've watched families getting destroyed and people losing their lives because of these matters. I have seen people being pushed to the limits, and even the moral standards that we often subscribe to being pushed aside, or falling apart. This matter is tougher than you can imagine.
It's a historical force, and effect, and the way to go about it is to create a culture and symbolism that's different from what we presently have.
Empathy, dedicated investigation, love and patience are what we need. Not self righteousness. Sawa sawa. Sasa ile maneno yetu ingine - when will we start it? For example how can you be against 'self righteousness' yet you are god? Your righteousness is within. Hii ni balaa gani umeanzisha? I get your point. This word 'self' has two extremes, the limits of Man. I mean the 'earthly Man'.
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