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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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My finger is aching; I'll cut off the arm. Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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mukiha wrote:My finger is aching; I'll cut off the arm. Exactment 
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/25/2013 Posts: 402
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Siringi wrote:@olelenku come here olelenku wrote: Stop this hypocrisy immediately. ? which one now? You vilify people for voting based on what RAO said and in the same post say you listened to Moi and voted no.And what is wrong with that? Am a KANU lifemember and so are very many Kenyans I know...Nothing wrong with voting NO it was one of the many options and I belief I made a very informed choice Get out of the closet and stop pretending to be objective. Hiyo ni ya akina BinyaV mambo ya closet siyuiOne more thing, why are you glorifying Moi so much. Everybody knows how he mismanaged and pillaged and plundered this country Moi held this country together during a time when rest of Africa was going through very difficulty transitions. Granted he (or people aroud him) could have made a few mistakes... But he is my hero. A true Statesman who believed in one Kenya one Nation na Uhuru wa Mwafrika kuamua mambo yake
Sawa mboss. You have responded very well. Good to know you are a KANU lifemember(whatever that means) and Moi is your hero.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/8/2013 Posts: 2,517
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washiku wrote:For 50 years in this country, resources were shared based on how the region voted. We tried the centralised system for 50 years it didn't work. Why should we cry to return to Misri just because the road to Canaan looks rough? Devolution should be made to work. The only reason the current crop of leaders are 'mis-using' the money is coz they have been left 'free' to decide. We need to strengthen the laws so that its very clear how much money should be used for development and how much should be used for other expenditure. If the budget for non-critical services is reduced, then the governors will not have any money to spend on those things and thus they will not use them. If the counties are too too many, then we can reduce them, but let us not go back to a system we have tried and tested for 50 years and realised it wasnt really working. If the governors are 'forced' to spend 60% of the devolved money on development, in a few years, they will find themselves tarmacking every local village road simply coz there are no other places to take the money(they cant use it to fly out because it will be illegal)
I insist, we should not lose hope that soon!!! You raise very pertinent issues that need to be isolated , prioritised and addressed systematically in order of 'importance' 1. Too many county gaarments and overepresentation in too many assemblies incl lower House and Senate (Kweli rongo? What would be any optimal no / desing ?) 2. Consequently very expensive due to duplications and county units not being viable 3. Governance: Counties being run by idiots - We elected them (live with it) 4. Who defines development priorities at the county? - the county assembly and Cabinet. Who sits in these - Nuff said 5. Any wazuan attended their county consultative forums to discuss and critique county budgets or Finance Bill? Raise up your hands "😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Siringi wrote:washiku wrote:For 50 years in this country, resources were shared based on how the region voted. We tried the centralised system for 50 years it didn't work. Why should we cry to return to Misri just because the road to Canaan looks rough? Devolution should be made to work. The only reason the current crop of leaders are 'mis-using' the money is coz they have been left 'free' to decide. We need to strengthen the laws so that its very clear how much money should be used for development and how much should be used for other expenditure. If the budget for non-critical services is reduced, then the governors will not have any money to spend on those things and thus they will not use them. If the counties are too too many, then we can reduce them, but let us not go back to a system we have tried and tested for 50 years and realised it wasnt really working. If the governors are 'forced' to spend 60% of the devolved money on development, in a few years, they will find themselves tarmacking every local village road simply coz there are no other places to take the money(they cant use it to fly out because it will be illegal)
I insist, we should not lose hope that soon!!! You raise very pertinent issues that need to be isolated , prioritised and addressed systematically in order of 'importance' 1. Too many county gaarments and overepresentation in too many assemblies incl lower House and Senate (Kweli rongo? What would be any optimal no / desing ?) 2. Consequently very expensive due to duplications and county units not being viable 3. Governance: Counties being run by idiots - We elected them (live with it) 4. Who defines development priorities at the county? - the county assembly and Cabinet. Who sits in these - Nuff said 5. Any wazuan attended their county consultative forums to discuss and critique county budgets or Finance Bill? Raise up your hands What is the better alternative according to you?
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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MaichBlack wrote:We need to go for a referendum and get rid of county governments and the senate. And while at it, reduce the number of MPs to 150!!!
This county governments have done more harm than good!! And this are not teething problems! We will be spending most of our tax money on salaries and other recurrent [and useless] expenditures! They are demanding for money from the central government, hiking taxes/charges and doing a lot of nothing development wise. They have taken both corruption and tribalism to new heights!!! I say we get rid of this County governments NOW!!!
Think. Don't let emotions confuse you!!! Will we abolish the national government too? Because all those ills in county governments also afflict the national government.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/8/2013 Posts: 2,517
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quote=washiku] Siringi wrote:washiku wrote:For 50 years in this country, resources were shared based on how the region voted. We tried the centralised system for 50 years it didn't work. Why should we cry to return to Misri just because the road to Canaan looks rough? Devolution should be made to work. The only reason the current crop of leaders are 'mis-using' the money is coz they have been left 'free' to decide. We need to strengthen the laws so that its very clear how much money should be used for development and how much should be used for other expenditure. If the budget for non-critical services is reduced, then the governors will not have any money to spend on those things and thus they will not use them. If the counties are too too many, then we can reduce them, but let us not go back to a system we have tried and tested for 50 years and realised it wasnt really working. If the governors are 'forced' to spend 60% of the devolved money on development, in a few years, they will find themselves tarmacking every local village road simply coz there are no other places to take the money(they cant use it to fly out because it will be illegal)
I insist, we should not lose hope that soon!!! You raise very pertinent issues that need to be isolated , prioritised and addressed systematically in order of 'importance' 1. Too many county gaarments and overepresentation in too many assemblies incl lower House and Senate (Kweli rongo? What would be any optimal no / desing ?) 2. Consequently very expensive due to duplications and county units not being viable 3. Governance: Counties being run by idiots - We elected them (live with it) 4. Who defines development priorities at the county? - the county assembly and Cabinet. Who sits in these - Nuff said 5. Any wazuan attended their county consultative forums to discuss and critique county budgets or Finance Bill? Raise up your hands What is the better alternative according to you?[/quote] Methinks we start with the Mpigs-Q 1. Can the Senate as currently constituted handle the countries' legislative agenda? [47 senators +-] Then let us do away with the lower house Q2. Are the current crop of MCA up-to the task ? NOO, refine and define the qualifications of an MCA and create rules to guide what decisions they can make and accountability + checks and balances Q3.Are we as a citizenry aware of our roles in Keeping our County Gaarments accountable? As it is now it will be extremely difficult to reverse the damage and do away with devolution, we need to reform it and cut down wastage PS.Those trumpheting successful counties- without issues - point at them so that we can go there and learn/ benchamrk Here is a Map of Counties just seen on twirra "😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Siringi wrote:quote=washiku] Siringi wrote:washiku wrote:For 50 years in this country, resources were shared based on how the region voted. We tried the centralised system for 50 years it didn't work. Why should we cry to return to Misri just because the road to Canaan looks rough? Devolution should be made to work. The only reason the current crop of leaders are 'mis-using' the money is coz they have been left 'free' to decide. We need to strengthen the laws so that its very clear how much money should be used for development and how much should be used for other expenditure. If the budget for non-critical services is reduced, then the governors will not have any money to spend on those things and thus they will not use them. If the counties are too too many, then we can reduce them, but let us not go back to a system we have tried and tested for 50 years and realised it wasnt really working. If the governors are 'forced' to spend 60% of the devolved money on development, in a few years, they will find themselves tarmacking every local village road simply coz there are no other places to take the money(they cant use it to fly out because it will be illegal)
I insist, we should not lose hope that soon!!! You raise very pertinent issues that need to be isolated , prioritised and addressed systematically in order of 'importance' 1. Too many county gaarments and overepresentation in too many assemblies incl lower House and Senate (Kweli rongo? What would be any optimal no / desing ?) 2. Consequently very expensive due to duplications and county units not being viable 3. Governance: Counties being run by idiots - We elected them (live with it) 4. Who defines development priorities at the county? - the county assembly and Cabinet. Who sits in these - Nuff said 5. Any wazuan attended their county consultative forums to discuss and critique county budgets or Finance Bill? Raise up your hands What is the better alternative according to you? Methinks we start with the Mpigs-Q 1. Can the Senate as currently constituted handle the countries' legislative agenda? [47 senators +-] Then let us do away with the lower house Q2. Are the current crop of MCA up-to the task ? NOO, refine and define the qualifications of an MCA and create rules to guide what decisions they can make and accountability + checks and balances Q3.Are we as a citizenry aware of our roles in Keeping our County Gaarments accountable? As it is now it will be extremely difficult to reverse the damage and do away with devolution, we need to reform it and cut down wastage PS.Those trumpheting successful counties- without issues - point at them so that we can go there and learn/ benchamrk Here is a Map of Counties just seen on twirra [/quote] Those are very good points. They all point into ways of making the counties better, rather than scrapping them as its being suggested. That has been my point all through, that we need to strengthen them and eliminate wastages through laws or otherwise. Not abolish them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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^ Good suggestions, but rest assured, the moment the govt puts out measures to control these devolved units, a certain old geezer will cry foul n proclaim "devilution is on trial", n of course incite his fanatics on the same. We can't move forward at an encouraging pace. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,723
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Siringi wrote:@kusadikika I guess you have never stepped in Kilifi your entire life donge? if you knew the level of poverty in Kilifi  you vould not have written what you wrote above Micah Cheserem cried when he went to Kilifi The calibre of leaders called Members of County Assembly are just Kanjoras, these are the guys managing our taxes alonside some cronies called county cabinets Of all the things that the poor people of Kilifi could have done with 140 million they decided that the best thing is to buy a mansion for their governor befitting his status. I defend their right to make this decision just as vehemently as I would have defended it had they decided to build a hospital, provide water or buy beer. They decided on their own how to use their money. Ni haki yao. The only relevant protests should be coming from within Kilifi. Kama hawaneni na kuandamana na kulililia haki yao basi sisi wengine have no business telling them how to run their county.
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