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Govt bans depts from holding meetings in hotels
jguru
#31 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:40:24 PM
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washiku wrote:
blueman wrote:
The thing is that this wasteful spending does not stop with hotels and is deeply ingrained in government culture. When I was new in civil service, I found it hard to understand why we would go out to Naivasha and other places to hold a meeting which could just as well have been held in the office boardroom. My colleagues then explained that we need a fresh and quiet environment to work better. But soon I was to realize that these meetings were really a means to earning that extra coin. And there's a lot of peer pressure...your subordinates will complain to you that such and such department has held two training sessions in Mombasa, why can't we hold ours in a similar venue. In the long run this is a way of making money...and if you close it, the ever creative Kenyans will come up with other ways.


I know of a guy in KRA who sets up meetings to see Agents everytime he is broke. He will just say: Man, nimekaukiwa. Let me arrange for a katraining hivi so that niweze kumaliza mwezi. In a week ako Mombasa or Busia or Namanga or such other places. Pesa pap!!!


I stopped going for those things. Every week ni seminars, conferences, trainings. Full board or teas/lunches/dinners at posh hotels and per diems of 25k per day (paid cash), and mileage claims (4k). You don't even go to the bank to check if the salary is ever paid or not. Gava just wastes money. I stopped going because I couldn't understand how there are no gloves and syringes at the hospital whilst we were having a 7 course lunch worth 4500.
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simonkabz
#32 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:42:30 PM
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Jus Blazin wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
murchr wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
Good move by govt. Why should govt officers leave their offices and boardrooms and head to hotels to hold meetings and pay exorbitant charges. Sijui 200k per day for the conference room, 3k per person for tea and lunch, 500bob for water, 40k pp for room. That's a waste of public funds.

Stupid move. How can it be enforced??


He who pays the piper calls the tune. Eehh nani kuulize did u actually think before typing?

@Murchr, now that you are such a great thinker please outline how this directive will be enforced.

Enforcement is one thing, thinking it's a stupid move is another. That's what @murchr was calling you out for.


Tell him all govt funds have to be accounted for, and now hotel incursions will no longer be one of the methods, so let him tell us how enforcement will be hard. Actually treasury can come up with many similar regulations that would stem wanton corruption n embezzling n wastage of public funds.
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simonkabz
#33 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:53:50 PM
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Ole Lenku
#34 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:07:46 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
Jus Blazin wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
murchr wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
Good move by govt. Why should govt officers leave their offices and boardrooms and head to hotels to hold meetings and pay exorbitant charges. Sijui 200k per day for the conference room, 3k per person for tea and lunch, 500bob for water, 40k pp for room. That's a waste of public funds.

Stupid move. How can it be enforced??


He who pays the piper calls the tune. Eehh nani kuulize did u actually think before typing?

@Murchr, now that you are such a great thinker please outline how this directive will be enforced.

Enforcement is one thing, thinking it's a stupid move is another. That's what @murchr was calling you out for.


Tell him all govt funds have to be accounted for, and now hotel incursions will no longer be one of the methods, so let him tell us how enforcement will be hard. Actually treasury can come up with many similar regulations that would stem wanton corruption n embezzling n wastage of public funds.

Treasury has already come up with many similar regulations that would stem wanton corruption n embezzling but it has not stopped pillaging in any county.
simonkabz
#35 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:12:33 PM
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Location: Cameroon
Ole Lenku wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Jus Blazin wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
murchr wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
Good move by govt. Why should govt officers leave their offices and boardrooms and head to hotels to hold meetings and pay exorbitant charges. Sijui 200k per day for the conference room, 3k per person for tea and lunch, 500bob for water, 40k pp for room. That's a waste of public funds.

Stupid move. How can it be enforced??


He who pays the piper calls the tune. Eehh nani kuulize did u actually think before typing?

@Murchr, now that you are such a great thinker please outline how this directive will be enforced.

Enforcement is one thing, thinking it's a stupid move is another. That's what @murchr was calling you out for.


Tell him all govt funds have to be accounted for, and now hotel incursions will no longer be one of the methods, so let him tell us how enforcement will be hard. Actually treasury can come up with many similar regulations that would stem wanton corruption n embezzling n wastage of public funds.

Treasury has already come up with many similar regulations that would stem wanton corruption n embezzling but it has not stopped pillaging in any county.


It's in the process of checking these devolved thieves, this is a new phenomenon. So I really don't get what you are on about.
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Ole Lenku
#36 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:36:03 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Jus Blazin wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
murchr wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
Good move by govt. Why should govt officers leave their offices and boardrooms and head to hotels to hold meetings and pay exorbitant charges. Sijui 200k per day for the conference room, 3k per person for tea and lunch, 500bob for water, 40k pp for room. That's a waste of public funds.

Stupid move. How can it be enforced??


He who pays the piper calls the tune. Eehh nani kuulize did u actually think before typing?

@Murchr, now that you are such a great thinker please outline how this directive will be enforced.

Enforcement is one thing, thinking it's a stupid move is another. That's what @murchr was calling you out for.


Tell him all govt funds have to be accounted for, and now hotel incursions will no longer be one of the methods, so let him tell us how enforcement will be hard. Actually treasury can come up with many similar regulations that would stem wanton corruption n embezzling n wastage of public funds.

Treasury has already come up with many similar regulations that would stem wanton corruption n embezzling but it has not stopped pillaging in any county.


It's in the process of checking these devolved thieves, this is a new phenomenon. So I really don't get what you are on about.

Its ok if you don't get it.
murchr
#37 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 1:43:55 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
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Ole Lenku wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Jus Blazin wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
murchr wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
Good move by govt. Why should govt officers leave their offices and boardrooms and head to hotels to hold meetings and pay exorbitant charges. Sijui 200k per day for the conference room, 3k per person for tea and lunch, 500bob for water, 40k pp for room. That's a waste of public funds.

Stupid move. How can it be enforced??


He who pays the piper calls the tune. Eehh nani kuulize did u actually think before typing?

@Murchr, now that you are such a great thinker please outline how this directive will be enforced.

Enforcement is one thing, thinking it's a stupid move is another. That's what @murchr was calling you out for.


Tell him all govt funds have to be accounted for, and now hotel incursions will no longer be one of the methods, so let him tell us how enforcement will be hard. Actually treasury can come up with many similar regulations that would stem wanton corruption n embezzling n wastage of public funds.

Treasury has already come up with many similar regulations that would stem wanton corruption n embezzling but it has not stopped pillaging in any county.


It's in the process of checking these devolved thieves, this is a new phenomenon. So I really don't get what you are on about.

Its ok if you don't get it.


Do u know how Sirkal works?
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murchr
#38 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 3:18:18 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
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jguru wrote:
washiku wrote:
blueman wrote:
The thing is that this wasteful spending does not stop with hotels and is deeply ingrained in government culture. When I was new in civil service, I found it hard to understand why we would go out to Naivasha and other places to hold a meeting which could just as well have been held in the office boardroom. My colleagues then explained that we need a fresh and quiet environment to work better. But soon I was to realize that these meetings were really a means to earning that extra coin. And there's a lot of peer pressure...your subordinates will complain to you that such and such department has held two training sessions in Mombasa, why can't we hold ours in a similar venue. In the long run this is a way of making money...and if you close it, the ever creative Kenyans will come up with other ways.


I know of a guy in KRA who sets up meetings to see Agents everytime he is broke. He will just say: Man, nimekaukiwa. Let me arrange for a katraining hivi so that niweze kumaliza mwezi. In a week ako Mombasa or Busia or Namanga or such other places. Pesa pap!!!


I stopped going for those things. Every week ni seminars, conferences, trainings. Full board or teas/lunches/dinners at posh hotels and per diems of 25k per day (paid cash), and mileage claims (4k). You don't even go to the bank to check if the salary is ever paid or not. Gava just wastes money. I stopped going because I couldn't understand how there are no gloves and syringes at the hospital whilst we were having a 7 course lunch worth 4500.


And they ask for more money
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Siringi
#39 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 5:24:00 AM
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Joined: 6/8/2013
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When Oulu wa Ngina son of Jomo was Gaarment Chief Bursar aka Treasury Cabinet Secretary cum Minister, he issued directives that all gaarment cars should not exceed 1800cc.

In fact all procurement of vehicles that year was consolidated in one tender won by CMC~ the Passat story

¿ How many new guzzlers do you see on ke roads since that directive? 4×4's that never go off road especially in parastals?
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murchr
#40 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 5:57:18 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
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Siringi wrote:
When Oulu wa Ngina son of Jomo was Gaarment Chief Bursar aka Treasury Cabinet Secretary cum Minister, he issued directives that all gaarment cars should not exceed 1800cc.

In fact all procurement of vehicles that year was consolidated in one tender won by CMC~ the Passat story

¿ How many new guzzlers do you see on ke roads since that directive? 4×4's that never go off road especially in parastals?


Which Parastatals? Name them. Because i know even those who have the Landrover Defender have a cap limit ya mafuta per month.
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