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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote:The mandarins tell us that it is because the economy is not growing fast enough. We need to grow by at least 7 percent, but preferably 10 percent per year to reduce unemployment and poverty.
But why is it not growing at 7 percent, despite our sleek new roads? Will the new railway do the trick?
And why is it that the ordinary Tanzanian is also struggling, despite more than a decade of 7 percent growth? http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/59k4gf/-/index.html
http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/sg3pm4z/-/index.html
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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The problem with economists they will never make you rich but will always tell you why you are poor. David Ndii came up with some fancy free primary education which was adopted by Kibaki. The effects of that policy will be gravely felt by the poor for many years. Look at olympic primary school Quote:“The obvious reason (for our fall in performance) is the surge in pupils since the introduction of free primary education,” says the school deputy headteacher Caleb Ochieng’.
On the other hand, the number of pupils has doubled since 2003, Mr Ochieng’ added, while the number of teachers has reduced drastically.
“In 2002, the year preceding the introduction of free learning programme, we had a total number of 45 teachers and 1,710 pupils,” he said.
“Now we have 28 teachers and a student population of 3,500 pupils,” he said.http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Why-top-school-lost-its-lustre/-/1056/2152240/-/u40nkl/-/index.html
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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mkonomtupu wrote:The problem with economists they will never make you rich but will always tell you why you are poor. David Ndii came up with some fancy free primary education which was adopted by Kibaki. The effects of that policy will be gravely felt by the poor for many years. Look at olympic primary school Quote:“The obvious reason (for our fall in performance) is the surge in pupils since the introduction of free primary education,” says the school deputy headteacher Caleb Ochieng’.
On the other hand, the number of pupils has doubled since 2003, Mr Ochieng’ added, while the number of teachers has reduced drastically.
“In 2002, the year preceding the introduction of free learning programme, we had a total number of 45 teachers and 1,710 pupils,” he said.
“Now we have 28 teachers and a student population of 3,500 pupils,” he said.http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Why-top-school-lost-its-lustre/-/1056/2152240/-/u40nkl/-/index.html I think FPE was agood social/economic project. All those students wangeenda wapi?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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Lolest! wrote:mkonomtupu wrote:The problem with economists they will never make you rich but will always tell you why you are poor. David Ndii came up with some fancy free primary education which was adopted by Kibaki. The effects of that policy will be gravely felt by the poor for many years. Look at olympic primary school Quote:“The obvious reason (for our fall in performance) is the surge in pupils since the introduction of free primary education,” says the school deputy headteacher Caleb Ochieng’.
On the other hand, the number of pupils has doubled since 2003, Mr Ochieng’ added, while the number of teachers has reduced drastically.
“In 2002, the year preceding the introduction of free learning programme, we had a total number of 45 teachers and 1,710 pupils,” he said.
“Now we have 28 teachers and a student population of 3,500 pupils,” he said.http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Why-top-school-lost-its-lustre/-/1056/2152240/-/u40nkl/-/index.html I think FPE was agood social/economic project. All those students wangeenda wapi? Definitely they should all have access to school. The issue is that sometimes there is more focus on access to education and not enough on quality. Policies/measures to improve education should tackle both simultaneously. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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butterflyke wrote:Lolest! wrote:mkonomtupu wrote:The problem with economists they will never make you rich but will always tell you why you are poor. David Ndii came up with some fancy free primary education which was adopted by Kibaki. The effects of that policy will be gravely felt by the poor for many years. Look at olympic primary school Quote:“The obvious reason (for our fall in performance) is the surge in pupils since the introduction of free primary education,” says the school deputy headteacher Caleb Ochieng’.
On the other hand, the number of pupils has doubled since 2003, Mr Ochieng’ added, while the number of teachers has reduced drastically.
“In 2002, the year preceding the introduction of free learning programme, we had a total number of 45 teachers and 1,710 pupils,” he said.
“Now we have 28 teachers and a student population of 3,500 pupils,” he said.http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Why-top-school-lost-its-lustre/-/1056/2152240/-/u40nkl/-/index.html I think FPE was agood social/economic project. All those students wangeenda wapi? Definitely they should all have access to school. The issue is that sometimes there is more focus on access to education and not enough on quality. Policies/measures to improve education should tackle both simultaneously. @butterflyke, access comes first and then quality. When a person is hungry, you first give them something to fill the tummy and then administer a balanced diet later. Now we can start the quality debate as almost 99% of children are in school. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 11/14/2012 Posts: 10
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I beg to differ.
The major reason for low performance is indiscipline. Most of the time the teacher is doing crowd control. Numbers don't matter discipline matters (Wazazi wachapwe kiboko!) Now someone should do research on the above.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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goldenberg wrote:I beg to differ.
The major reason for low performance is indiscipline. Most of the time the teacher is doing crowd control. Numbers don't matter discipline matters (Wazazi wachapwe kiboko!) Now someone should do research on the above. Still, don't you think it'd be far much easier for 70 teachers to 'control' 3000 pupils than a measly 30 teachers? Ultimately, quality. Same thing is happening in healthcare by the way. Free maternity care with not a single extra nurse employed. Result? Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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Lolest! wrote:Quote:The mandarins tell us that it is because the economy is not growing fast enough. We need to grow by at least 7 percent, but preferably 10 percent per year to reduce unemployment and poverty.
But why is it not growing at 7 percent, despite our sleek new roads? Will the new railway do the trick?
And why is it that the ordinary Tanzanian is also struggling, despite more than a decade of 7 percent growth? http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/59k4gf/-/index.html
http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/sg3pm4z/-/index.html
To a large extent, I agree with the views espoused in those two articles, which, coincidentally I was reading just yesterday. I have always held that, in a predominantly agricultural economy like ours, a gov't that wishes to lift the greatest number of people out of poverty needs to do one thing: fix agriculture, right from access to inputs, irrigation, marketing, storage, etc. This is not to say that other sectors like construction are not important, far from it. But, given the limited resources against so much need, I would personally dedicate proportionately more resources to agriculture than to these others. After all, didn't the agrarian revolution precede the industrial revolution? Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Rankaz13 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:The mandarins tell us that it is because the economy is not growing fast enough. We need to grow by at least 7 percent, but preferably 10 percent per year to reduce unemployment and poverty.
But why is it not growing at 7 percent, despite our sleek new roads? Will the new railway do the trick?
And why is it that the ordinary Tanzanian is also struggling, despite more than a decade of 7 percent growth? http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/59k4gf/-/index.html
http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/sg3pm4z/-/index.html
To a large extent, I agree with the views espoused in those two articles, which, coincidentally I was reading just yesterday. I have always held that, in a predominantly agricultural economy like ours, a gov't that wishes to lift the greatest number of people out of poverty needs to do one thing: fix agriculture, right from access to inputs, irrigation, marketing, storage, etc. This is not to say that other sectors like construction are not important, far from it. But, given the limited resources against so much need, I would personally dedicate proportionately more resources to agriculture than to these others. After all, didn't the agrarian revolution precede the industrial revolution? 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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Rankaz13 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:The mandarins tell us that it is because the economy is not growing fast enough. We need to grow by at least 7 percent, but preferably 10 percent per year to reduce unemployment and poverty.
But why is it not growing at 7 percent, despite our sleek new roads? Will the new railway do the trick?
And why is it that the ordinary Tanzanian is also struggling, despite more than a decade of 7 percent growth? http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/59k4gf/-/index.html
http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/sg3pm4z/-/index.html
To a large extent, I agree with the views espoused in those two articles, which, coincidentally I was reading just yesterday. I have always held that, in a predominantly agricultural economy like ours, a gov't that wishes to lift the greatest number of people out of poverty needs to do one thing: fix agriculture, right from access to inputs, irrigation, marketing, storage, etc. This is not to say that other sectors like construction are not important, far from it. But, given the limited resources against so much need, I would personally dedicate proportionately more resources to agriculture than to these others. After all, didn't the agrarian revolution precede the industrial revolution? what about the 1million acre irrigation project? he also doesn't credit UMK for the ESP fish ponds.. I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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